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    Default painful letdown!

    My Ds is 9 days old. We were able to establish good latch and my nipples healed. However, as of today, when he latches and starts to suckle, it hurts!!! Like a stinging burning stabbing pain around my nibble and breast. It lasts for about 45 seconds and then goes away.

    He eats from one breast for about 20-30 min and the other one for about 10. After genus done and I am all dresses, my whole boob not just nipples hurt.

    I liked for thrush symptoms but found nothing. Is this just a painful letdown? If so what can I do. It makes me dread to feed him :-(

    Thanks!

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    Default Re: painful letdown!

    Burning, stabbing pain in the breasts at letdown is a classic symptom of thrush. It's normal for some women to have an achy pain at letdown, but "burning" really sounds like thrush. Do you have any nipple soreness too?


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    i do have nipple soreness...

    What should I do for thrush?

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    This does sound like thrush - I found this website to be really helpful. You should probably talk to your doctor about it - he or she will likely prescribe Nystatin for your baby and Diflucan for you. Our experience is that the Diflucan can be helpful, but the Nystatin, not so much. And in addition to that, you may have to do some of the treatments described in this website. Personally, I found probiotics to be really helpful! I even dusted powdered infant probiotics on my nipples after every feeding ... maybe it was placebo effect, but it really seemed to help. There are a lot of thrush-survivors () on this forum to give you more advice!


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    I agree, thrush. I like this site as well. Be sure to keep your nipples dry, letting them air dry is best. Do not use breast pads. And be sure to sterilize anything that has come in contact with your milk or breasts, including bras, nursing tanks, pump parts, bottles and pacifiers. Thrush can be hard to shake and has been known to come back many times. Treating it right the first time is key. Feel better!
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    Also check the symptoms of and make sure it isn't vasospasm and/or Raynaud's. These can happen simultaneously with thrush but are also commonly mistaken for thrush.

    Here is some additional info from kellymom.

    Blanching due to vasospasm

    Vasospasm, which is more severe, is a sudden constriction/narrowing of a blood vessel (in the nipple, in this case) that is extremely painful. It might occur a short time after nursing or in between nursings. Vasospasm can have various causes:

    Vasospasm can be a secondary response to pain or nipple trauma (damaged nipples or thrush). In this case, the nipple(s) turns white shortly after nursing (rather than coming out of baby's mouth white and misformed). Mom might notice a white circle on the face of the nipple a few seconds to a few minutes after breastfeeding. Cold often triggers the vasospasm and/or makes it worse. Unlike blanching due to compression, latch and positioning may be fine if the source of any nipple damage has already been fixed. Healing the nipple trauma or other source of pain should eliminate the vasospasms, although they may persist for a short time after the nipple has healed (previously damaged tissue can remain sensitive for a time).
    Raynaud's of the nipple

    Vasospasm can also be caused by Raynaud's Phenomenon (more info here), which causes sudden vasospasms in the extremities. When nipple vasospasm is caused by Raynaud's Phenomenon (Raynaud's of the nipple), the nipple turns white, then there is usually a noticeable triphasic color change - from white to blue to red - as blood flow returns. The color change may also be biphasic - from white to blue.

    Vasospasm due to Raynaud's is more likely to occur on both sides (rather than just one nipple), lasts for relatively long periods of time (rather than for a few seconds or a few minutes), and can occur during pregnancy and/or at times unrelated to feeding. Vasospasms may also occur in fingers or toes. Cold typically triggers the vasospasm and/or makes it worse. Nipple trauma (and other causes of compression blanching or vasospasm) can exacerbate the problem. Raynaud’s phenomenon may recur with subsequent pregnancies/breastfeeding, so be prepared to seek treatment quickly if you have experienced this in the past.

    Per Anderson et al, "Because the breast pain associated with Raynaud’s phenomenon is so severe and throbbing, it is often mistaken for Candida albicans [yeast] infection. It is not unusual for mothers who have Raynaud’s phenomenon of the nipple to be treated inappropriately and often repeatedly for C albicans infections with topical or systemic antifungal agents."

    Keep in mind that Raynaud's is not caused by breastfeeding (anyone might have it) -- it simply has the potential to affect breastfeeding. For example, any person might have inverted nipples, which might or might not affect a mother's breastfeeding relationship (as this can make latching or sore nipples more of a challenge in the beginning). Raynaud's works the same way - anyone might have it coming into breastfeeding, and it might (or might not) affect the breastfeeding relationship if the vasospasms are triggered by bad latch, a sudden temperature change as baby unlatches, etc.

    Some maternal medications have been associated with vasospasm, including oral contraceptives. Fibromyalgia, rheumatologic diseases (eg, systemic lupus erythematosus or rheumatoid arthritis), endocrine diseases (eg, hypothyroidism or carcinoid), and prior breast surgery have also been associated with Raynaud’s phenomenon. Some sources indicate that the antifungal medication fluconazole may be associated with vasospasm, although the manufacturer does not report this as a known complication of fluconazole use. Other sources feel that vasospasms experienced by mothers taking fluconazole are a result of nipple pain/trauma due to thrush (and not due to the medication used to treat the thrush).


    Treatment options for vasospasm

    * Avoid cold. Apply dry heat to the breast when needed (this relaxes the "cramping" blood vessels). Some mothers benefit from keeping the entire body warm (warm clothing, warm room, wrap up in a blanket, etc.)
    * Cover the nipple as soon as possible after baby comes off the breast. Some moms say that it is helpful use a wool breast pad or a soft cloth diaper.
    * Apply dry heat immediately after breastfeeding. A rice sock can be useful as a source of dry heat: Fill a sock or a cloth bag with uncooked rice and microwave 45 seconds (or until desired warmth is achieved); hold the rice sock against the nipple (over the cloth or mom's shirt) until blood flow resumes.
    * Avoid caffeine, nicotine and other vasoconstrictive drugs, as they can precipitate symptoms.

    * Ibuprofen.
    * Dietary supplementation with calcium/magnesium.
    * Dietary supplementation with vitamin B6.
    * Low dose oral nifedipine.
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