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    Default He's so hungry!

    My son is a little over 5 months and after emptying both breasts still fusses to eat. And when I'm at work he gets 4oz every 2-3 hours and is looking for more (I know bottle babies can over-eat, but he wants more). The thing is I don't pump enough to give him more.

    What can I do about both? It seems that I'm not making enough milk anymore. Is it as simple as trying to produce more?
    Mom to 3 boys and loving it!
    J born 5/22/10, BF for 1 year
    N & L born 4/10/13

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    Yeah. It is. It's all supply and demand. So when you say you "know they can over eat but he wants more" do you know he may be over eating but you can't figure out how to stop it? Or are you rejecting the idea that it's happening? Because if he has eaten off both sides of YOU you just re flip him. Breasts are never ACTUALLY empty. A child can always produce SOME milk. It's just that it's slower going after initial let down. So if your truly need to produce more while together you simply bring to the breast MORE for longer so your body gets the additional ques to produce. As far as your child overeating from a bottle while AWAY from you, I would NEVER take the word of a DCP about a child needing more to eat while away from you than they need to eat while WITH YOU. Because mathmatically it's not true and all that happens is that women are made to feel bad and stressed when....it isn't true. A child does NOT need to eat more from a bottle than they do from your breasts. But DCP providers DO assume that child NEEDS more breastmilk as a child gets older and bigger because that is what is true of formula babies. So rather than trying to MAKE MORE than you really do you send MORE smaller bottles. So your child gets to empty the bottle more often but is not getting fed more than he would while with you.
    Now, I am addressing both issues because I want you to know both things ARE possible. It's possible that your child IS going through a growth spurt and DOES need more milk. In which case it IS as simple as increasing the feedings over a course of a few days and your supply WILL catch up. But it's also as simple as being firm with your DCP about the fact that YOU KNOW what is best for your child and NOT feeling pressure in terms of what you need to send. Because even when you go through SPURTS the reality is you still land in the same place in terms of Oz per 24hour periods. It's not like when you start feeding a new born they need LESS milk than a 4month old. It seems like we need to feed newborns non-stop! And we DO! SO 24-32 OZ IS the range on what your child needs in a 24hour period of time. If your child is getting MORE than 36oz in a 24hour period, I would work on re-positioning your self firmly with your DCP. Because of your are gone for 9hours a day the outside MOST you need to be sending is 15oz. How close are you coming to that?

    Way too lazy for formula

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    Default Re: He's so hungry!

    Thank you for the reassurance! It is definitely making me stressed which I am sure isn't helping.

    When eating from me, DS gets mad when it gets slower and will pull off & fuss rather than stay there. When he refuses to latch back on, if I can, should I pump?

    I am definitely not close to pumping 15oz. I needed that today and it took me 4 days to get it (three pumping sessions at work on Friday, then one night session Friday, Saturday, Sunday & Monday). Today I'm at work 9 hours and will pump 4 times and I probably won't make enough for the 6 hours I'll be away from him on Thursday.

    I pump each night before I go to bed and get 1-2 oz. He wakes up 3 times a night to eat, so I can't pump more during the night because I do need some sleep. It's just getting so hard. I barely pump enough for when I'm at work, and we have some things coming up this month where he'll be babysat and I just don't know if I'll have enough for that.
    Mom to 3 boys and loving it!
    J born 5/22/10, BF for 1 year
    N & L born 4/10/13

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    Default Re: He's so hungry!

    Have you tried pumping first thing in the morning at home on your days off?
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    Default Re: He's so hungry!

    totally agree with everything from PP.

    I just wanted to stress that your baby won't need more in terms of ounces as he gets older.

    Also - i'm just reading your follow up post. It does sound like you're spending A LOT of time getting what your LO needs for your time away. And it looks like you're giving him about 1.5 oz/per hour away, which is on the high end of what baby needs.

    What kind of pump are you using? Have you tried any manual compressions after you're done pumping? I often find that my breasts (during some times more than others) are less responsive to the pump than others. I can just tell this because they feel SO MUCH emptier when DS is done nursing than when i'm pumping. But if i try hand expressing after i'm done pumping, i can sometimes get a whole other ounce.

    Pumping that frequently can get really discouraging. I definitely have gone through some times that are much harder to keep up with than others - almost to the point of being worried about being able to make it. Keep it up. Have you tried mothers milk tea or anything else to try to increase?

    It doesn't sound like that's a real problem, but it does sound like the amount of times your pumping could get exhausting fast. How often are you away from LO?
    Julia and Maxwell (and Dan and Haddie)
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    Default Re: He's so hungry!

    Also, look up power pumping. I don't know the specifics, but lots of mamas here have done it and successfully increased supply.
    Julia and Maxwell (and Dan and Haddie)
    Maxwell, born January 3, 2010
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    Default Re: He's so hungry!

    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*mommy2lilah View Post
    Have you tried pumping first thing in the morning at home on your days off?
    How would I time that around when DS needs to eat?

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    I have a Medela PISA. I have not tried manual compressions, but I'm about to head in to pump so I will try it then.

    I have a great schedule - I work at home a couple days, so I'm only away 3 days. Tuesday for 9 hours, Thursday for 6 hours, Friday for 6 hours.

    It certainly is getting exhausting fast and the last thing I want to do is give up! I'm trying to get more water in and have also started oatmeal to see if it helps.
    Mom to 3 boys and loving it!
    J born 5/22/10, BF for 1 year
    N & L born 4/10/13

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    Default Re: He's so hungry!

    You could pump right after he eats in the morning. You may not get much milk at first, but your body will start to produce more as time goes on. That would give you a little edge on the three days that you're pumping at work, and also increase your supply by that amount.

    How often are you going between pumping at work? Could you get one more pumping session in? Also, are you using a new pump or did you get a used one from someone else? Is it possible that the motor is wearing out?

    ETA: how long are you pumping when you are pumping at work?
    Tracie

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*dmrugg15 View Post
    Thank you for the reassurance! It is definitely making me stressed which I am sure isn't helping.

    When eating from me, DS gets mad when it gets slower and will pull off & fuss rather than stay there. When he refuses to latch back on, if I can, should I pump?

    I am definitely not close to pumping 15oz. I needed that today and it took me 4 days to get it (three pumping sessions at work on Friday, then one night session Friday, Saturday, Sunday & Monday). Today I'm at work 9 hours and will pump 4 times and I probably won't make enough for the 6 hours I'll be away from him on Thursday.

    I pump each night before I go to bed and get 1-2 oz. He wakes up 3 times a night to eat, so I can't pump more during the night because I do need some sleep. It's just getting so hard. I barely pump enough for when I'm at work, and we have some things coming up this month where he'll be babysat and I just don't know if I'll have enough for that.
    But that THE MOST MAMA it doesn't mean you need that much! How much are you getting at each pumping session? Because 1-2 oz sounds like FINE OUTPUT! And it sounds in line with what your child would normally eat while with you? If you are only gone 6hours you need between 6&9 oz. If you are gone 9 it's 9-15oz. It's 1-1.5 oz for every hours you are gone. You don't need 15oz every time. I just didn't want you to think you need MORE than that! Often Women are coming here because their providers are telling them that they need 16oz or more! You have to think about the whole picture. If you have to leave your child 15oz while you are gone, what does that say about the 15hours a day that you actually have him? Does he need to eat MORE during the 9hours a way from you than he does while with you? Even if he is still eating three times during the night? Does that feel right to you? That in the 9hours he is with her he would need to eat more or as much as the 15hours he is with you? It's all math. And it does not equal you not making enough.

    Way too lazy for formula

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    Default Re: He's so hungry!

    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*mommy2lilah View Post
    How often are you going between pumping at work? Could you get one more pumping session in? Also, are you using a new pump or did you get a used one from someone else? Is it possible that the motor is wearing out?

    ETA: how long are you pumping when you are pumping at work?
    I pump every 2 hours at work and for 10 minutes, or as long as it takes to get 2 let-downs. It's a new pump.

    djs.mom - I got 4 oz my first session this morning, and got 2 oz 2 hours later. And I'm thinking he does need more with me - he is definitely not satisfied after eating. However, when not with me I will reduce to 3.5 oz from 4 oz and see how that goes and then reduce to 3 if I can. That would certainly help my pumping worries.
    Mom to 3 boys and loving it!
    J born 5/22/10, BF for 1 year
    N & L born 4/10/13

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