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    So - this is kind of a spin off to the iron vitamin thread...

    Both DD and DS are on vitamins - both a little different, but each have flouride....Pedi said it was necessary since we do not have fluoride in our drinking water here....Is this OK??


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    I don't know which one you are using, but look at the amount of flouride it contains and then google the amount a normal city supply has. The one my kids use has a little less than most people's city drinking water.
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    Since I live in a state without flouride DS gets flouride drops. DS gets 0.6mls of flurabon 0.25. The label says he gets 0.25mg of the flouride ion. This appears to be the standard dose from 6mo to 3 yrs.

    One thing to consider is what is "naturally" in the water. Some basins have a lot of naturally occurring flouride because of the surrounding rock. You can get testing strips I think.

    Overdosing on flouride is definitely a problem, but... I guess military dentists can tell an Oregon mouth because the teeth are not as strong/healthy.
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    My 2 year old lo has been getting a flouride vitamin (its in a dropper and has other stuff in there too) that says 0.25 mg. He has been getting this since he was around a year as the suggestion of the ped. He doesn't drink a lot of water, mostly milk and juice, and bm until recently. He has infant toothpaste that has no flouride. I personally didn't get enough as a child and am about to have my 27th filling on my adult teeth, not fun! But too much causes staining, so I would talk to ped. about how much your lo needs and if you aren't sure how much is in your water or can't tell consistently how much your lo is drinking, I'd consider switching to bottle water that has no flouride and using the vitamins. That way you can be sure the amount.
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    Fluoride Supplements: Ineffective with side effects, study shows

    "There is weak and inconsistent evidence that the use of fluoride supplements prevents dental caries [cavities] in primary teeth," according to a systematic review of fluoride supplement research published in the November 2008 Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA).

    The authors could find only one study, from China, showing any fluoride cavity-preventing benefit to primary teeth and that study was probably biased with a high withdrawal rate, the authors write.

    Mild -to-moderate dental fluorosis (white spotted and/or yellow teeth) is a significant fluoride supplement side effect, they report.

    Fluoride supplements, although a prescription drug, were never FDA [Food and Drug Administration] tested for safety or effectiveness because sodium fluoride was on the market pre-1938 before FDA testing laws were enacted. (1)

    In 2007, the American Dental Association (ADA) reported on its web site that fluoride supplements put children six and under at significant risk of permanently discolored teeth; but never shared that information with the American public, pediatricians or MD's who still prescribe fluoride supplements to toddlers. (2)

    "This review confirmed that, in non-fluoridated communities, the use of fluoride supplements during the first 6 years of life is associated with a significant increase in the risk of developing dental fluorosis, write researchers Ismail & Bandekar and first published in Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology, February 1999, (3) but posted to the ADA's website July 2007.

    Fluoride supplements sought to achieve a similar effect as fluoridation of the water supplies when it was believed that ingested fluoride reduced tooth decay. However, the Centers for Disease Control now reports that fluoride's purported beneficial effects are topical (4). Swallowing fluoride only exposes children to fluoride's adverse health effects ( http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health ), such as dental fluorosis.

    "So there is no good reason to swallow fluoride via supplements or the water supply," says attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc. "Further, fluoride is neither a nutrient nor required for healthy teeth. Poor diets decay teeth and fluoride won't stop that," says Beeber.

    Even the American Dental Association admits that no fluoride supplements should be prescribed to children who aren't at high risk of cavities.


    Studies link dental fluorosis to children's kidney damage (5) and bone fractures (6).

    "While fluoride ingestion is proclaimed a significant cavity reducer, there is no valid science to support that," says Beeber.

    Up to 48% of school children sport dental fluorosis, the outward sign of fluoride toxicity, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). (7) Yet tooth decay is growing in our most fluoride-exposed population - toddlers, according to CDC data.

    In the Fall 1999 Journal of Public Health Dentistry, dental researcher and former dental journal editor Brian A. Burt, Ph.D., M.P.H., B.D.Sc., University of Michigan Emeritus Professor, writes:

    "It is therefore concluded that the risks of using supplements in infants and young children outweigh the benefits. Because alternative forms of fluoride for high-risk individuals exist, fluoride supplements should no longer be used for young children in North America."(8)

    Even fluoridated toothpaste hasn't been proven to prevent toddlers' cavities. According to the June 2009 JADA (9) Only one study shows 1,450 parts per million fluoridated toothpaste is effective in primary dentition; but 25 - 35% of the test subjects developed fluorosis although living in a non-water-fluoridated area of England. (10)

    Doubts persist about fluoridation also: "It may...be that fluoridation of drinking water does not have a strong protective effect against early childhood caries (ECC) reported Pollick and colleagues in the Winter 2003 Journal of Public Health Dentistry.

    Casamassimo and colleagues report in the June 2009 JADA that high levels of ECC persist despite water fluoridation and use of fluoridated toothpaste. (11)

    A study in the Fall 2008 Journal of Public Health Dentistry reveals that cavity-free teeth have little to do with fluoride intake. Researchers report, "The benefits of fluoride are mostly topical…while fluorosis is clearly more dependent on fluoride intake."

    "Fluoridation began with the untested belief that ingested fluoride prevented tooth decay in small children, only. Evidence-based-dentistry now shows that swallowing fluoride poses dental risks without benefits to the very children fluoridation was supposed to help," says Beeber. Fluoridation must be stopped immediately and parents and physicians must be notified of these new scientific developments."

    NYS Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc
    http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof
    http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health



    References:

    1) August 2000 letter from NJ Assemblyman Kelly to Senator Robert Smith http://www.fluoridealert.org/fda.htm

    2) http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/eb...upplements.asp

    3) "Fluoride supplements and fluorosis: a meta-analysis," Community Dentistry & Oral Epidemiology, 1999 Feb;27(1):48-56, by Ismail & Bandekar .

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en..._uids=10086926

    4) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5014a1.htm

    5) "Dose-effect relationship between drinking water fluoride levels and damage to liver and kidney functions in children," Environmental Research,2007 Jan;103(1):112-6. Epub 2006 Jul 10, by Xiong, et. al

    http://tinyurl.com/34lj92

    6) "Dental and Early-State Skeletal Fluorosis in Children Induced by Fluoride in Brick-Tea," Fluoride 2005;38(1):44-47 Cao, et. al
    http://www.fluorideresearch.org/381/files/38144-47.pdf

    7) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr.../s403a1t23.gif

    8) "The case for eliminating the use of dietary fluoride supplements
    for young children," Journal of Public Health Dentistry, Fall 1999, by
    Burt

    http://tinyurl.com/2bnoff

    9) Journal of the American Dental Association, June 2009, Guest Editorial

    "Fluoridated Toothpaste and the Prevention of Early Childhood Caries

    A Failure to Meet the Needs of Our Young." by Peter M. Milgrom, DDS, Colleen E. Huebner, PhD, MPH and Kiet A. Ly, MD, MPH

    10) http://content.karger.com/produktedb...E2006040001066

    11) Journal of the American Dental Association, June 2009, "Beyond the dmft: The Human and Economic Cost of Early Childhood Caries," by Casamassimo, Thikkurissy, Edelstein, Maiorini




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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*airportmom View Post
    So - this is kind of a spin off to the iron vitamin thread...

    Both DD and DS are on vitamins - both a little different, but each have flouride....Pedi said it was necessary since we do not have fluoride in our drinking water here....Is this OK??

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    OMG - I'm going to talk to the pedi and get them both off these...
    I'll ask for another vitamin - minus the flouride!!

    Thanks so much nyscof!!!


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