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    Quote Originally Posted by nataliachick7
    Your son most likely has GERD, or more commonly acid reflux. most pediatricians are not very familiar with treating this. It has nothing to do with your milk. My son has sever acid reflux and the only feedings he didnt scream at were the night time and the early morning. This is because at all other feedings his esophogus was so irritated from all the acid. at night he would sleep several hours and his esophogus got a rest. my son would scream, arch his back, kick and bite the nipple. he would spit up all the time. he was starving but he couldnt eat. his esophogus was being damaged as every day went by. i could not get a doc to get him the right medicine until after an ER visit with my son. he was not eating all weekend long , and the er docs did nothing for him. they knew nothing about infant Gerd. so i did some research and contacted a specialist at the univeristy of missouri. he then contacted our pediatrician and educated her about this situation. our son is now on the correct medicine, a PPI called zegerid and is no longer screaming at feedings. his esophogus is no longer irritated. if i would have left this untreated, his esophogus would get so damaged and likely lead to Barrets disease and then maybe even cancer. i dont know what we Zegerid.
    It is very possible that her son has reflux (GERD) as well as the oversupply. My daughter had reflux and I dealt with the oversupply issue as well. While the medications for reflux have helped, it was decreasing my milk supply that "fixed" our issues most noticeably. In fact, after only two days of going through the steps to decrease my supply (as told to me by my LLL leader - which included block feeding and cold compresses on my breasts after each nursing session), the vomiting STOPPED. She had been projectile vomiting up to four or five times a day before that. And she started to come back to nursing - not fighting me, no longer arching her back and screaming. So with us it was a combination of reflux and oversupply ... but the oversupply is what was the bigger problem of the two.

    Kristen:
    I would say if decreasing your milk supply doesn't lessen his symptoms considerably and you are still having problems, then most definitely talk to you doctor about the possibility of reflux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nataliachick7
    Your son most likely has GERD, or more commonly acid reflux. most pediatricians are not very familiar with treating this. It has nothing to do with your milk. My son has sever acid reflux and the only feedings he didnt scream at were the night time and the early morning. This is because at all other feedings his esophogus was so irritated from all the acid. at night he would sleep several hours and his esophogus got a rest. my son would scream, arch his back, kick and bite the nipple. he would spit up all the time. he was starving but he couldnt eat. his esophogus was being damaged as every day went by. i could not get a doc to get him the right medicine until after an ER visit with my son. he was not eating all weekend long , and the er docs did nothing for him. they knew nothing about infant Gerd. so i did some research and contacted a specialist at the univeristy of missouri. he then contacted our pediatrician and educated her about this situation. our son is now on the correct medicine, a PPI called zegerid and is no longer screaming at feedings. his esophogus is no longer irritated. if i would have left this untreated, his esophogus would get so damaged and likely lead to Barrets disease and then maybe even cancer. i dont know what we Zegerid.
    I was going to suggest having him checked out for GER as well. The arching thing and puking sounds very GER-like to me. My son was miserable during and after nursing when he was a newborn. He went on Pepsid at six weeks, and then later, Zantac b/c it is cheaper on our prescription plan. The meds don't help the spitting up, but they helps neutralize the painful acid they feel when it comes up. It may be worth looking into if other suggestions don't work. I hope things look for you guys!

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    I'm so happy to hear you have found some helpful information here and seem to be doing much better!

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    I am so happy that I found this post. It never occured to me that you could have too much milk. I figured that I could just pump and store it, you know, just in case I couldn't get home for 6 months! I know that the next few days will be hard while my girl screams at the breast and I am so engorged it hurts, but I know it will be worth it. The only thing is, should I worry about her not really eating or only getting foremilk until everything levels out? How long does it take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kst7399
    I am so happy that I found this post. It never occured to me that you could have too much milk. I figured that I could just pump and store it, you know, just in case I couldn't get home for 6 months! I know that the next few days will be hard while my girl screams at the breast and I am so engorged it hurts, but I know it will be worth it. The only thing is, should I worry about her not really eating or only getting foremilk until everything levels out? How long does it take?
    If you are doing block feedings she will be starting to get the rich hindmilk in the subsequent feedings (and more of it at each feeding after until you switch sides again ... i.e., if you nurse at 9am, then the next nursing on the same side at 11am will be providing her with more foremilk than if you were to switch to the other side). Remember when you have an oversupply your little one is getting an imbalance of mostly foremilk already!

    The thing I was extremely worried about is each time I started new on the opposite side because it would get so engorged while feeding on the other side ... and my little girl did have a heck of a time dealing with the engorged side at first, but each time gets a little better. I looked like Dolly Parton on one side and Ally McBeal on the other ... so lop sided I didn't go out for several days it was that obvious. And it is uncomfortable. If the second side becomes unbearably full, just hand express a little milk until you're more comfortable and then use cool compresses - but try to express less milk each time until you are comfortable without doing so. This site has really helpful information about oversupply/OALD and how to deal with it: http://www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/fa...down.html#help.

    Every woman's body is different, so it will vary how long it will take for you. And you'll need to find your own balance as far as how long each block of time is, and then after your supply is under control, how long to continue block feeding. Now, at 7 months, I am able to go back to just nursing one side every time. I was also pumping a lot (yeah, I had a freezer full of breast milk for an "emergency") which made my oversupply worse (see my post HERE). Just stopping the pumping helped a lot. Then it took only a couple days to see a drastic difference (DD stopped vomiting, started wanting to nurse more peacefully), and a week before I felt like I could stop with the extended blocks (12 hours on each side!) and cold compresses after each feeding.

    Did you listen to the PodCast? That is really helpful information. You can feel free to email me if you have any questions or want to talk!
    Last edited by @llli*paint.the.moon; July 28th, 2006 at 12:16 PM.

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    I did listen to the Podcast and will use the tips that they provide. I have been block feeding for some time now, I actually didn't realize that what I was doing had a name at first, it just seemed like the natural thing to do. I know how I got this way - my baby was born 7 weeks early so I diligently pumped every 3 hours for 15 minutes on each side for 2 months. Once I finally got her on the breast it was hard to give up the pump, even though I knew that my supply was way beyond her needs. For me it was part of the process since I was pumping long before I ever got to even let her touch my breast (I didn't even meet her until the day after she was born and didn't get her to the breast until week 2 - not exactly the dream I had when I got pregnant). I wish at least one of the LC's told me that oversupply wasn't a good thing and that it could actually be harmful. It's so frustrating now to have to start all over again for the umpteenth time. Not only do I need to work on the supply, but now it seems she has lost her latching abilities because of it. What we do for the ones we love! Thank you so much for your support - it really helps to know that I am not alone in this struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristenco
    But, it didn't make sense to me - why would feedings at night and first thing in the morning go so well, when that's when my supply is greatest? Why wouldn't he have had any trouble during the first few weeks, when my milk first came in, and I was super engorged?
    I, too, was curious why my baby didn't start refusing at the beginning when I was very engorged or while sleepy. I just wanted to add this info from LLL's The Breastfeeding Answer Book:

    From three to six months of age, a baby who is having difficulty handling his mother's forceful let-down may refuse or postpone feedings. Even if nursing has gone fairly smoothly until this stage, some babies who have difficulty coping with the mother's forceful let-down may begin to exhibit a reluctance to nurse that may include some of the following symptoms:
    -refusal to continue nursing when the mother switches breasts during a feeding
    -refusal to nurse himself to sleep, preferring instead fingers, thumb, or a pacifier
    -refusing some feedings even when obviously hungry
    -"biting" the breast
    -refusal to nurse at all (nursing strike)
    (1997 ed., page 95)

    Don't know why?? Maybe the little buggers just get fed up with it by that point. Our real severe problems with nursing strikes, refusing to nurse to sleep, screaming and fussing at the breast, really started at about 3 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paint-the-moon
    I, too, was curious why my baby didn't start refusing at the beginning when I was very engorged or while sleepy.
    I think the Podcast mentioned that when they're half asleep, they don't suck very hard, and so the milk doesn't come out enarly as fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christy
    I was going to suggest having him checked out for GER as well.
    I think reflux is definitely possible, but I'm banking more on oversupply. My DS doesn't cry when he spits up or throws up... if it were reflex, wouldn't it burn him, and he'd cry? He only cries when we're nursing, and definitely when milk lets down. Even when he throws up several ounces, it doesn't phase him at all. It doesn't bother him at all to be wearing his dinner! Ha!

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