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    Hello,

    I'm a first time mother, and i'd like some mother to mother advice. My baby is 18 days old and recently he refuses to burp, cries and looks as if he's in pain, and arches his back after a feed. He seems really windy aswell. Sometimes he will burp. I've tried all the different methods of burping, and i even sit him up for 15 mins at least after each feed. I'm at the end of my tether, it's seriously getting me depressed.

    I haven't seen a health visitor yet, because it's policy here that they arrive 28 days after the birth. Sounds silly to me considering i'm a first time mum and i've already been discharged from my midwife. So i called up the health centre anyways a midwife told me it's prob colic or reflux, she said i should try infocol. Thing is my baby's on Nystasin so i thght i'd ok it with his doc first.

    The doc said i can give you the medicine but no guarantee it'll work. You obviously haven't mastered burping your baby. He asked me if i was a first time mum, i said yes. Then he arrogantly said thght so you need someone to show you how to burp the baby. I didn't wana argue with the man, coz frankly i was angry and upset at the way he had communicated to me. He wasn't sympathetic just plain arrogant, and he refused to accept it could be colic or reflux. He just made it sound like i was an inadequate mother or something.

    Thing is i've looked after my baby brother and baby nephews since i can remember and burping them has never been a problem. I don't think it's the method of burping that's failing, my baby just doesn't seem to burp.

    The health visitor said i should get the infocol, my sis and others with kids have told me the same coz they've used it and apparently it works.

    Anyways what do you think ?Any advice for me? How about cheering me up a little, all this conflicting advice and condescending health professionals have really made me feel low.

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    You are doing a wonderful job, mama!! Don't let an arrogant doctor get you down or start doubting yourself. I always trust my mother's instinct first over what any so called specialist may tell me. My baby had reflux since week two. And she was always extremely difficult to burp ... and I too tried every method of burping out there. Some babies are just like that and there is nothing you are doing wrong, they just don't burp easily.

    And to answer your question ... NO, the doctor is most definitely not always right. Take a look at my post here and you'll see what I went through when I trusted a "professional" (a uninformed lactation consultant) instead of listening to my gut instincts.

    What is infocol? Does your baby have thrush (I ask because you said your baby's on Nystasin)? If so, the yeast in their intestinal tract can be a source of major gas and discomfort, and this could be some of what you are seeing. We had thrush for three months and my little one really suffered through it. And the crying and arching his back after nursing really sounds like reflux symptoms. Is there a possibility that you could see another pediatrician for a second opinion?

    Mama to Adeline Brett, breastfed for 4.5 years (12/14/05) and little Eliza June, new tiny sprite in my arms and still learning the ropes (7/18/10)

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    Yes my baby has Thrush hence the Nystasin. Well i too thght this could be causing the gas, but i'm no expert so i kind of dismissed it.

    My baby's doc is just his GP, not a pediatrician as far as i'm aware. I don't know how things work here, i'm in the uk. As soon as my health visitor arrives they'll get me in touch with a pediatrician i think. I;ll ask my sis she should know since she's got kids of her own. Thanx for making me aware of that!

    Infocol is some natural remdy that apparently helps with trapped wind, colic and griping pains, like gripe water, except you can't used gripe water until the baby is a few months old. You give it before each feed. i've been told to try it for a while, but doc has dismissed it even tho a midwife advised it.

    Thank you for your advice and sympathy, feel like crying most days lol. I'm over the moon having the baby just it's a lot harder than it thght it'd be. I knew it wouldn't be easy but this is insane, the things women go through!
    Last edited by Maryam; July 24th, 2006 at 10:53 AM.

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    Nope. Doctors aren't always right. I AM one, and I know that I've been known to be wrong! I treat about seven species though, so it is easy to miss something . . .

    Sounds like acid reflux to me and could be complicated by the yeast. My son did the same thing. First ped blew it off and said the constant fussing and arching and difficulty nursing was nothing and he would outgrow it. I ignored my instinct and listened to her. Finally, it all came to a head, and I found a certified nurse practictioner who listened and prescribed Zantac, which helped enormously. Burping, when he would burp, never helped the situation (besides, you have to master it?? ).

    I would ignore the GP and try the gas drops while looking for a new doctor; they might help with any gassiness related to the yeast. Call that midwife back and ask for some referrals -- she might know someone with a similar philosophy to yours.

    Hang in there!
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    I agree with IansMommy. When I could get my little one to burp it never made her feel better. The reflux finally subsided after trying several meds and finding that Prevacid worked best for her (and it took several weeks to see an improvement). I would definitely get a referral for a new doctor ASAP ... the reflux is something I wouldn't want to wait to treat if that is what he's experiencing (from my little one's own experiences with it).

    Here are some excellent links on reflux:
    LLL has a great article on thrush, it's meant for Leaders, but is FULL of great information.

    Some symptoms of thrush in the baby are: Refuses to nurse, Nurses and pulls off, Gassy (windy) and cranky. Another thing with thrush is that it makes the babe's mouth itch.

    Regarding the gas, we tried different homeopathic gas remedies with no success. But it can't hurt to try.

    A little info on the Nystatin ...

    The first line of defense that is usually prescribed for yeast is Nystatin (cream or suspension), an exceptionally safe pharmaceutical that acts by disrupting the necessary enzymes yeasts need to reproduce, but doesn’t cross cell membranes. However, the drug may cause side effects such as nausea, gas, and fatigue as the yeast dies off. Nystatin must be scrupulously applied after every nursing, since yeast multiplies rapidly. Some researchers question the effectiveness of Nystatin suspension because it is mixed in a sucrose base (in which yeast thrives); instead, they recommend using Nystatin powder mixed in breastmilk for babies.

    You are doing a super job ... don't let anyone make you feel otherwise. There IS good help out there (these boards are proof of that!). Let us know how it goes.

    Mama to Adeline Brett, breastfed for 4.5 years (12/14/05) and little Eliza June, new tiny sprite in my arms and still learning the ropes (7/18/10)

    Family Blog • If I'm here I'm nursing and typing one handed ... forgive the typos!
    And I'm not a newbie at all ... I'm trying to get my old user ID working from back in the day ... paint-the-moon

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    does your baby looks/acts more contented after he burps?? If so, then the burping is important for your baby.
    My baby didn't need much burping initially, so I didn't have the habit of burping him often. Recently he started to regurgitate milk after feeds if I didn't burp him, so I finally realised that his bloated tummy and arched back (when I carry him upright on shoulder) are signs that he needs burping.
    As a 1st time mother it took me nearly 2 weeks to learn to burp my baby properly, even now I don't dare to say I'm good at it. I remember times when I rush my baby to my mother-in-law for burping cos he's crying so hard, made me felt so inadeqate!
    The thing is, my instincts told me that my baby is uncomfortable cos he needed to burp, hence my willingness to spend time to try to burp him properly. Suggest you trust your instincts too......

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    sounds like reflux. my baby has it (per her ped...) and i hardly ever can get her to burp. but i do think it sounds like reflux- esp the back arching, dd does the same thing, her face gets red and she will grunt, whine or cry- then she roots furiously, latches & does the same thing. i will pick her up to burp and get no burp. sometimes i do get burps one of two ways...
    1. put baby in your lap in a sitting position facing out sideways. bend him over almost in half with his head pretty much in his lap (looks painful but it's not). support his head with one hand (like around his chin) and pat him firmly on the back with your other. try moving your pats in a circular motion around his whole back.
    2. sometimes if i pick my baby up over my shoulder and pat her hard then bring her down to where she is almost completely laid out on her back for a moment, then bring her up high over my shoulder and pat her again i will get a good burp. for whatever reason that works for me...

    maybe you are already doing these methods, but again, sounds like reflux! good luck to you hang in there!

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