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Thread: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    bumped up again per interest from the caregiver issues threads

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    Question Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    Hi, Thanks for this thread. I have a 5.5 mo and am trying to establish some sort of supply/backup in the freezer (not a deep freezer). Luckily I checked my frozen milk after only a few oz pumped (though it was enough to turn my bub off the bottle!!). I feel so much for those of you who have 200 oz or so...

    Anyway, my own 'testing' is ongoing, so far:
    non-scalded refrigerated milk lasts 3 days (in a pinch 4, disgusting at 5).
    scalded refrigerated milk still good at 9 days!
    however, both non-scalded and scalded milk is still tasting good at 9 days....

    I am wondering why the non-scalded frozen milk still tastes good?! I was wondering if it was because I froze it immediately (without cooling first, and then pressed the "quick freeze" button on my freezer). i also reduced the temperature in my freezer a bit. (I did all this after my googling/research on lipase). The other thing is that I am digging out chunks of the frozen milk to test it and immediately defrosting and tasting, so perhaps if I left it to defrost overnight in the refrigerator the lipase would kick in and it would taste disgusting? I'm wondering this because in practice what I'm likely to do with frozen milk is do exactly that (leave it in the refrigerator to defrost). Just asking this here because I have very little of my experimental milk left so wondering if anyone else has worked this out?

    Thanks in advance
    Meg

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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    Hi Meg,

    Kudos to you for experimenting! I haven't tried unscalded frozen milk anymore just because of what happened last time.

    My theory is that the lipase, while it still remains active in the freezer, maybe it's slowed down??

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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    Yes, that's what I was thinking. And perhaps it would speed up when warmed - eg defrosted, so sitting in refrigerator overnight it may go off...

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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    Hello,

    Thought I'd chime in again, I can't believe this thread is still going strong! Glad to see we can all help each other out so much.

    The Lawrence & Lawrence book does talk about freezing and lipase activity, and yes the colder the temperature the more slowed down lipase activity will be. Milk at milk banks is stored at below -70 C degrees which is unbelievably cold. A deep freezer (- 20 C) is colder than a freezer attached to a fridge, and a deep freezer also doesn't have a freeze/thaw cycle.

    The milk in my deep freezer is so cold I can't handle the frozen bags of milk for long with my bare hands! I have it cranked to the lowest temp setting too.

    My Little Reverse Cyclers
    *DS born July 2006, nursed 3 yrs 10 mos!
    *DD born January 2011, happily nursing and bucking the bottle just like big brother
    *One Angel baby we sadly never met July 2009

    Happily married to an amazing man who puts up with all my craziness since 1999.


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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    What do you ladies think about putting together an article for the LLLI "New Beginnings" publication about our lipase stories and the successful techniques that people have developed?

    http://www.llli.org/nbhelp.html

    NEW BEGINNINGS needs personal stories from breastfeeding mothers about the normal course of breastfeeding. Tell us what helped you cope with challenges such as sore nipples, plugged ducts, frequent nursing, colic, premature birth, fatigue, or a baby with a chronic health problem. Describe how you breastfed while being treated for a chronic condition such as diabetes or high blood pressure. Write about your experience with breastfeeding a child older than one year or using loving guidance with your preschooler or older child.

    Personal stories should be between 600 and 1000 words. Strike a balance between describing details and sharing your feelings about your experience. Color photos of your child and/or family add to the appeal of these stories. If your submission is selected for publication, all rights are assigned to LLLI and you will receive two complimentary copies of the issue in which your submission appears. Stories may be mailed to:

    NEW BEGINNINGS
    LLLI
    PO Box 4079
    Schaumburg, IL 60168-4079

    Or email to the Managing Editor via our Contact Us page. Choose the publications option.
    When I was first struggling with discovering my frozen milk was all "bad" because of lipase I was SO frustrated by the lack of practical advice from other moms who'd been through this and it took me awhile to finally find the fantastic resource on this forum. I would have LOVED to see a practical article from moms who had been there.

    Lynn
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    DS2: bf 9/2009 -> ???
    ; multiple food allergies
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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    I am so glad I found this post! My dd is 11 weeks old and we have been trying to get her to take a bottle of ebm for weeks w/ no luck. The other day I discovered my milk has the soapy taste, no wonder she wont drink it from a bottle, it's gross. I'm going to get a bottle warmer and try to scald it that way. I have about 50oz in the freezer that I'm going to have to throw out. I finally got my dd to take a bottle this morning using freshly pumped milk.

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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    Hello,

    I think something in New Beginnings would be great. I know that whenever I have explained Lipase to a friend or family member they look at me stunned and say so many working/pumping moms would have probably thrown in the towel if they discovered that "problem".

    Digging through the boards is one thing, the info is there if you look for it. An article in New Beginnings would be great and hopefully easier to find.

    Should we submit our articles separately but try to do so at the same time?

    My Little Reverse Cyclers
    *DS born July 2006, nursed 3 yrs 10 mos!
    *DD born January 2011, happily nursing and bucking the bottle just like big brother
    *One Angel baby we sadly never met July 2009

    Happily married to an amazing man who puts up with all my craziness since 1999.


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    Default Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    Yeah! I wanted to report that I think I FINALLY figured out how to successfully freeze my EBM.

    - Used a bottle warmer to scald to 145 for one minute (thanks to those of you who were braver than I at experimenting and figured out this technique!!)
    - Froze some tests - 2oz frozen in Lansinoh bags, lying flat, inside ziploc freezer bags, and then inside a plastic container and in the deep freezer that my DH went and bought a couple weeks ago just for milk storage.
    - Just thawed out the first test - it had been in the freezer for 1.5 weeks.
    - After thawing it still tasted sweet, and even better DS drank it down without fighting or the "yuck" face he used to have with my frozen milk.

    I've been avoiding work travel and know that I'll need to travel for work in a couple months. I still need to do more tests to feel really confident about being able to rely on a freezer stash, but for the first time since I discovered that my frozen milk was yuck and DS wouldn't drink it, I'm actually feeling optimistic about being able to have a freezer supply.

    Lynn
    Lynn
    DS1: bf 7/2006 -> 4/2009; multiple food allergies
    DS2: bf 9/2009 -> ???
    ; multiple food allergies
    Breastmilk Donor - http://hmbana.org/index/donatemilk
    Click HERE to learn about baby led solids (BLS) / baby led weaning (BLW)

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    Red face Re: Scalding breastmilk due to excessive Lipase

    With the news about plastic bottles (sorry to be a wet blanket on this), are you all worried about heating the milk to 180 in a plastic bottle??

    I have no choice b/c I need to have milk for my son Monday, and my milk is cooling on the counter right now, but just wanted to add this question to this discussion.

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