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Thread: Hospital Overstepping It's Bounds....(vent)

  1. #11
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    Default Re: Hospital Overstepping It's Bounds....(vent)

    Our hospital is totally about rooming in and bfing immediately. They had a lactation specialist in the room during delivery to help with latching immediately after birth- thankfully my son is one of those that scootched his way up to the breast and latched himself.

    They even told us during classes that the nursery was there, but they did not encourage its use, they preferred the baby to be in the room with the parents. The only time our son left was when he got a bath or was having tests done.

    My only complaint, and it was a minor thing, is that because he was jaundiced, some of the nurses asked us to think about supplementing once or twice to help clear it, but both our ped and the on call ped said there was no reason to, that our son was fine. I love our ped and her office. They are fantastic!

    I was just telling my DH the other day that I feel lucky to have delivered in the hospital we did.

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    I loved my OBGYN's and I loved the L and D nurses. They were just fantastic. It was a wonderful experience. The problem came when I was in the post partem ward. They would NOT get me an LC even though I requested one multiple times. I kept getting, "I used to be one" Well, I BF EVERY 2 hours, and kept a log that the nurses supplied me. I was allowing them to take him out of the room to do assessments or weights because I just thought I could trust them. At one point we gave AJ to the nurses because I was totally exhausted and thougt I'd get a good 2 hours sleep. NEVER AGAIN. I specifically told the little girl that I DID NOT want AJ getting a binky. He came back to the room a few hours later, not with a binky, but a note in the bassinet stating "remove binky before returning to room" Oh talk about pissed. I was LIVID. Plus the next day when the nurse found out I complained, she came in the room with a bottle stating that AJ had lost "too much weight" and I didn't want him going to the pediatric ward with IV' and tubes coming out of him. I was a brand new mom, no one on either side BF, and she's telling me I'm going to make my baby sick. I was heartbroke. I felt like the biggest failure.Thankfully I did NOT give him that bottle of formula. That pissed her off too. Oh well. I complained loudly about her to the LC that finally came in on Monday, the day I was d/c home, and she appologized and stated that I should have NEVER been told that and by the log that I was keeping and the looks of AJ he was absolutely fine. She was very supportive. I still know better next time though. Arghh I still get fired up just thinking about it. Other than the post partum part, my L and D and those nurses were the BOMB!!!! They were so encouraging and the nurse that helped deliver AJ gave him right to me to start BFing. She was just great. If I could have stayed on that wing, the whole stay might have been different. Anyway, so the story goes I gues, we all live and learn. I'll know better for next time. There are just some nurses that are not as honorable as our fav one here is.

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    It is a SAD state of affairs when choosing a hospital delivery also means forfeiting your right to informed consent and forfeiting control over your own baby.

    AJsmommy--your experience is not unique, unfortunately...I was an OB nurse for 10 years....mostly L&D, but floated to PP & nursery quite often....and my friend in this scenario had her baby at the last hospital I worked at....which is why I warned her to be assertive with the nurses about their use of formula and about bringing the baby to her asap after the c/s. Other than that, the baby was in the room the whole time except for assessments. THAT SAID, the nurses STILL violated their wishes. I'm sick, sick, sick.

    Infringements like these are in direct violation of the Patient's Bill of Rights and I am sooooooo looking forward to the day someone finally chooses to litigate. MAYBE THEN, we'll see some positive changes.

    If it were my baby, I would have an attorney at my bedside before I was discharged. (Which I was prepared to do last winter.) As it was, I did have a baby last February, and our protectiveness was met with some attitude by the nursery nurses, and the baby never left the room, not once---so our rabid insistence on having our own way prevented any such mishaps.....but I knew better from my own experiences in these hospitals, and I was confident in my decisions and THEY knew not to challenge me....most people aren't in that situation.

    The hospital staff should be the ones to advocate for the patients instead of launching an assault on their rights. ARRRRRGH!!!!!!

    Surfin'--I'm glad you are chiming in for the minority of excellent nurses out there. I know there are some. I also know that MOST nurses are GOOD nurses.....but are often misguided by bad policy and bad habits started by poor adminstrators and lazy nurses. Keep up the good work though...maybe others will follow your lead.


    ~jo

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    What hospital was it? I had my son at St. Joes on McDowell & I know they would have done a ton of things against my birth plan if FOB wasn't very intimidating & looming over them every second. I was very unhappy with my experience at that hospital & am really looking into home birth for my next.
    Steff, proud mom to:
    Ian (6) born naturally
    breastfed from 7/3/06 to 6/16/08
    &
    Erin (4) born naturally (with Hypnobirthing)
    breastfed from 5/18/08 to around 5/18/10
    &
    Seamus (3), my allergy baby, born naturally (with slacker Hypnobirthing) breastfed from 12/28/09 to 8/20/11
    &
    Connor (1) breastfed from 12/28/11 to current



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    That is horrible. I thought I might have trouble since I insisted on only bf for my DD and told them under no circumstances to give her formula without talking to us. I'm in a very small town where if the rules have been a certain way, they are not likely to change. To my surprise they completely accomodated me. I discovered that due to the uneducated around here the doctors and staff were completely excited that I wanted to bf. We even had complications with my LO and they never gave her a bottle. We bf as soon as we could.

    So sorry for the crappy experience!!
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    Kiefer was born January, 2008 - 6 lbs. 14 oz, 19 1/2 inches long.
    He was diagnosed with a severe peanut allergy at 12 1/2 months old. Others later discovered.
    And I am even more blessed by being married to my best friend and the most honorable man I've ever known.

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    Default Re: Hospital Overstepping It's Bounds....(vent)

    St joes is on Thomas (3rd st).....Good Sam is on McDowell (12th St) --I have worked at both of those, too.......

    As a matter of fact I have moved from hospital to hospital in the hopes of finding one that might be more baby (and mommy) friendly.....one that's tries harder to honor patient's requests......<sigh>....but they seemed to get worse! <bigger sigh> I wonder if one hospital was actually worse than the other, or if they were all just getting worse with time......or maybe my awareness was just getting sharper.....probably a combination of the latter two.

    The hospital I recently wrote about does seem to be a little worse than the others in regards to being bf-ing friendly....maybe a LOT worse....but I think it is partly b/c they do not have an LC on staff to help establish, educate, and enforce good bf policy......but then again mabye the cause is much bigger than than...maybe the lack of the LC is just a sign that the powers that be do not value such things and this attitude trickles down, spreads around and becomes all pervasive <sigh again> I just don't know....I spent 2 years there trying to figure it out and when I had dd I decided not to go back.

    The hospital is in the NW valley.

    BTW-- I am a member in many local groups you may be interested in.....especially if you want to talk to others about homebirthing and get some recommendations. Let me know if you are interested.

    ~jo

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    I read this to my husband and he thinks this is almost something you could sue over. One bottle of formula permanently changes baby's GI track. Plus the whole nipple/nursing thing. With the importance of bfing and the risk they put on baby's bf relationship, totally unacceptable. This is not a bf friendly hospital. There needs to be policy changes, certification, something....

    We just had twins 10 days ago and a totally different experience. They were 5-4 and 6-1 and stayed in the OR with us the whole time. They we all 4 went together to recovery (which was to be our permanent room). With the warmers and the ekgs and frequent bp checks, etc. Babies never left my sight. I got to watch the first baths, I got to feed them right away. We got great pictures of everything.

    NURSERIES should be outlawed. Our hospital doesn't even have one. They have level III NICU, it is a big hospital. The babies had their own nurse and I had mine the first evening (born in evening) and then we had the same nurse the next two days.

    How sad for that family. I hope something can be done to educate/discipline those docs and nurses and change their flawed policy. Healthcare providers have more responsibility to know the right thing. I am a dialysis nurse and we do NOTHING to our patients without CONSENT.

    Rachel
    Mom to Renee Nicole and Claire Olivia 6/20/07

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    Default Re: Hospital Overstepping It's Bounds....(vent)

    I always do that! It was Good Sam, not St. Joes! Another thing that really made me mad was that, though they claimed to have an LC on staff, I did not get to meet with one & I really struggled with bfing in the beginning. I think if it hadn't been so overwhelmingly important for me to bf I would have given up. Luckily I finally got in touch with an LLL leader who answered a lot of my questions.

    I would definitely be interested in any help or derection you can lead me regarding homebirthing, etc!!
    Steff, proud mom to:
    Ian (6) born naturally
    breastfed from 7/3/06 to 6/16/08
    &
    Erin (4) born naturally (with Hypnobirthing)
    breastfed from 5/18/08 to around 5/18/10
    &
    Seamus (3), my allergy baby, born naturally (with slacker Hypnobirthing) breastfed from 12/28/09 to 8/20/11
    &
    Connor (1) breastfed from 12/28/11 to current



    Ian's age ticker Erin's age ticker Seamus' age ticker
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  9. #19
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    Default Re: Hospital Overstepping It's Bounds....(vent)

    That is horrible. My lo only left me 3 times in the hospital. Once for her bath, checks, and warming up(all of which my husband and family watched), and for the peds to see her- about 30 min one morning and about 2 hours the second time- I was mad by then and had went to the nursery looking for her. My lo was never given any formula at the hospital and they were supportive of bfing. I just wish they didn't want to take them for the peds to check them out. They should do that in the rooms. If I have another lo, they will.

    I agree that it was wrong for the nurses to do that. I too am a nurse and that is way overstepping boundaries. I would definately write a note or better yet, request a meeting at the hospital to resolve the matter, or atleast change things where it wont' happen to anyone else.

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    Default Re: Hospital Overstepping It's Bounds....(vent)

    Quote Originally Posted by rachelntwins View Post
    I read this to my husband and he thinks this is almost something you could sue over.

    Rachel--I totally agree! Scroll up and see in one of my responses I said the exact same thing! Is your hubby in the medical field? Honestly I hope it never happens to me....but I hope that when it does happen again to someone that they will go litigious on that hospital....a snowball effect that could result in policy changes nationwide. (My friend doesn't seem interested in pursuing the matter.....not wanting anything to overshadow her happy day......which I bet is a fairly common occurrence which has been protecting these hospitals so far.)

    ~jo

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