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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Not too late?

    I have read some info from some top LC specialist and they say that it is not true that a baby can be allergic to mother's milk. That there is no such thing. There is a possibility though that your baby could be allergic to any dairy products that you are consuming. It seems like your baby never had a problem with your expressed milk and then just recently has had this problem. Usually green stools mean a hind milk, fore milk imbalance. My second daughter had this problem. The pediatrician said the stools were normal but I didn't think so. So I worked on my daughter getting more of the hind milk in addition to the foremilk and the problem resolved. I nursed her for longer periods of time to make sure that she got the hind milk. I have read that this sometimes is a problem with women who have an abundant supply. The milk comes out so quickly that baby gets a lot of foremilk rather than hindmilk. It sounds like to me that since baby was just starting back at the breast again, that he probably got less breastmilk than normal and then possibly got more of the formula. Many times babies can get blood in the stools from formula. The cows milk that is used to make it is often times very hard on the baby's intestines. My one twin had that happen once. So I would stick with your gut instinct and keep doing all that you can to give your baby breastmilk. Pediatricians are not trained in lactation whatsoever. I would see a top IBCLC before I would ever believe the pediatricians advice in how to handle breastfeeding issues. You could even contact Dr. Jack Newman. He is wonderful and will answer your personal e-mails very quickly. Keep hanging in there. You are doing great. Let us know how things are going.
    Last edited by Anne Marie; February 10th, 2007 at 12:52 AM.
    Mama to 2 wonderful girls (nursed 3 yrs.) and twin boys born 12/30/05 (stuck on the SNS due to pallate issues discovered very late) Thankful though that at least at the breast.

  2. #12
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    Default Re: Not too late? update

    thanks all for your replies and support.

    My son's bloody diapers have continued all week. They were getting a bit better, but then last night was one of the worst. We're concerned about a possible rectal fissure and are going so see a pediatric GI, as his regular pediatrician doesn't seem to know what's going on. The regular ped is saying maybe he has a colon polyp, but I think fissures and/or allergy is more likely. I tried taking out every possible allergen from my diet but it hasn't helped (living off oats and rice). I have lost 6 pounds, however!

    I'll keep on reading this site and will check back with my local LC. She said to follow the allergy-free diet and things should be better in a week, but sadly that hasn't happened. So, we agreed to take DS off the breastmilk for several days and put him on Nutramagen. I will keep pumping and storing milk so hopefully we can use it when this mystery is solved. The blood is really upsetting me and DH, and that's the only reason I'm willing to try this Nutramagen.

    THanks again. I really appreciate your comments/references!
    Kim

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    Default Re: Not too late? an update

    Hi again. Sean is back on breastmilk now after being on the formula for two weeks. He's doing really well on the breastmilk and hasn't had any green poops, just nice mustard yellow, though they can be runny. I'm reintroducing foods to my diet slowly to see if they affect him, but still won't dry dairy for the forseeable future in case it causes blood in stools.

    Sean still won't nurse, however, and it's very sad for me. But at least now he doesn't gag upon latching on. Now he just pushes with his tongue and out comes the nipple with it. I'm seeing a LC who suggested a nipple shield, but Sean hates it and will fuss and refuse to try when he sees it. Our best success has been when I take a bath with him. It triggers some sort of sucking instinct in him and he tries to latch on but still hasn't gotten very far. But at least he seems happy to try then.

    So, I keep pumping and trying him at the breast. Sometimes he gets very agitated and fusses, other times he'll try over and over before giving up. He's three and a half months old now.

    We're going to stay with my in-laws for a weekend in early May, so I'd love to have Sean nursing by then, but don't want to get my hopes up. I'll plan to pack the pump and bottles and maybe we'll get lucky before then! I'm trying to stay positive and remember that at least he's not gagging on my (big!) nipples any more. I may try a SNS because he gets frustrated at the lack of immediate milk like the bottles have.

    Kim

  4. #14
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    Default Re: Not too late?

    Kim, so you are pumping enough for him for the entire day? that's WONDERFUL and i'm so glad his poops are fine ! (my sons musterd poops are runny still too! very normal!)
    1 thing i wanted to bring up, I was finally getting enough milk for my son so I started a nurse in , where I only offered the breast, he should eventually take you, but if after many unsuccessful attempts them maybe offer him his milk in a cup? so that he has to meet the need at your breast? maybe that can help?

    goodluck ! great job on getting him back on your milk! that's awesome!
    ~*TiffanyJewel*~
    Happily Married !
    SAHM to my two beautiful boys
    Ethan my sweet big boy! born 9-9-04
    Aidan my little nursling! (relactation) born
    5-2-06!
    Natalie Jewel Our Valentine! Born
    2-14-08
    *Relactation- a labor or Love*

  5. #15
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    Default Re: Not too late?

    Tiffany,

    Thanks so much for the ideas and encouragement. I'm glad to hear that runny yellow poops are no big deal. My daughter's breastmilk poops were more seedy, so I thought maybe Sean's weren't "solid" enough. Also, they're not smelly at all, and that's got to be a good sign.

    I've been able to keep up with the milk production by pumping, but just barely! I am usually about three ounces ahead of my big eater. I do have lots of frozen milk (from the formula-only time) so I can rely on that as needed.

    I have thought about taking away the bottles and trying to get Sean to nurse for his food, but I'm afraid he's not really latching on well enough yet, and if I try to force the issue he'll be more upset at the breast. But it's definitely something to consider.

    Usually he gets upset if I try to get him to nurse. In fact, the only time he'll try is when he thinks it's *his* idea. Still, once I see that he does know how to latch and at least suckle for a minute or so, I will try taking away the bottles because at that point it will just be his preference, rather than his lack of skill that's holding him back.

    Ugh! I really want this to work out. If only I could explain it to Sean! No more waiting for bottles to warm up while he cries, no running out of milk mid feed, etc.

    Kim

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    Default Re: Not too late?

    well all of that makes sense and can be a concern! I don't know why I forgot ot mention this but does he wake up at night to eat? With Aidan he also fought nursing, BUT for his middle of the night feedings he would accept me and eat that way! If he is waking up to eat at night maybe that's the time to offer the breast? and if he takes it for you then get him used to the breast that way with latching and all, and maybe that will work for you too?

    goodluck! oh and I love that BF poops don't stink lol!
    ~*TiffanyJewel*~
    Happily Married !
    SAHM to my two beautiful boys
    Ethan my sweet big boy! born 9-9-04
    Aidan my little nursling! (relactation) born
    5-2-06!
    Natalie Jewel Our Valentine! Born
    2-14-08
    *Relactation- a labor or Love*

  7. #17
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    Default Re: Not too late?

    Kim,
    I'm sorry I lost track of this thread before. I'm so glad you posted with an update. And glad to hear that Sean is back on BM only! That is good news!

    Hang in there and let us know if there is anything else we can do!

  8. #18
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    Default Re: Not too late?

    Well, it's a week later and still not much progress to report. I will try getting him to BF at night. Thanks for the tip. He sleeps from about 6 to midnight and then is usually up twice before sunrise, so there is some overnight time to try then.

    He seems to have less and less interest in latching on (like he forgot what breasts can do for him) but he's more curious about everything now, such as his hands and finding things to chew on. This might work in my favor. He finds it interesting that milk comes from my breasts, so he will poke around and be amused if I express milk into his mouth as he nuzzles around. I guess it's at least something to build on. He needs to remember that there's plenty of milk there if he'll only do a little work for it.

    He flat out refuses to have anything to do with the nipple shield. I'll try to do more skin-to-skin contact and baths together. But as soon as I pick him up to put him at the breast (shifting him to the cradle hold, but I've tried them all lately) he will arch his back and try to get upright because he just doesn't want to nurse. It's heartbreaking at times because I remember how my little baby daughter loved to nurse, and Sean's getting so big ...

    But his interest can wax and wane, so I will keep trying. In any case, I plan to keep pumping as long as I can because I believe so strongly that breastmilk is best for him, however he gets it.

    Kim

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