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    I spent half a day pumping often and I even managed to get my baby on my breast with the help of a nipple shield. I also took very hot showers and baths and did massage before pumping and feeding. My symptoms have greatly improved since and I am thinking I will not need to go to the doctor's.

    If my symptoms have improved do you think it is still necessary to go?

    I bought a double electric pump today and began using it. It is very convenient at cutting down my pumping time but it is quite strong compare to the small pump I used previously. The pump came with a Calma nipple and my baby does horribly with it. He is spilling and splurting and coughing a lot so I went back to an "ordinary" nipple. Is this important at all? I keep hearing about nipples and bottles and how to feed with a bottle but I am just very confused on the matter.

    I tried to reduce his intake today but I still couldn't get him under 1000ml.

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    If you are feeling like the symptoms are decreasing, you do not need to see the doctor. Just keep a close eye on yourself- if you feel symptoms flare up again, you need to increase your routine of hot showers, massage, etc., and see the doctor if things aren't improving.

    Don't worry too much about the type of nipple on the bottle. A lot of the advice about nipples is hype, or people telling you what seemed important to them rather than evidence-based information. I think the fact that you are keeping the baby on the breast when you feel up to it is much more important than what kind of nipple you're putting on the bottles.

    Also, don't worry too much about the high intake from the bottles. Yes, he's eating a lot but he's still very young and they grow so fast at that age! He may really need a higher-than-average amount of milk right now.

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    Many hot showers, baths, and massages later, many of my symptoms are gone but my breast is still hard in some places. I saw a Japanese breast specialist who gave me a massage and even tried to show me how to late him. Unfortunately, everything she showed me I had already tried multiple times. She even mentioned his mouth was a little odd but that it wasn't a big concern. Like many before her, she said I have to breastfeed him even if it hurts.

    Given her comment about his mouth, I took him to an English speaking paediatrician. Unfortunately, I found the visit very unsatisfying. As soon as he knew I spoke a little bit of Japanese he didn't really bother to explain things to me in English. I kept saying it's difficult to breastfeed due to severe breast pain and asked him to check his mouth. He did so in front of me, which I was very happy about, but he also said what he saw didn't warrant any real concern. The doctor then went on to give me a lot of advice that I didn't really ask for nor do I think it is necessary to follow. I hope you can tell me whether or not his advice is sound. He said my baby was too fat (evident by his double chin) and that I should give him juice and begin weaning him off the breast because at the rate I am supplying milk to him, I will become ill due to it being too hard on my body. He also told me several times that if I don't pump I will get an infection even though I told him in the very beginning that my child drinks mostly breastmilk (occasionally he will have formula) that I am expressing. When I mentioned giving him formula he said I should just give formula because it's much better than breastmilk and easier for mothers. He also said that breastmilk isn't actually all that great for babies. I think at this point I pretty much stopped listening to whatever he had to say due to being so upset. Was I wrong in becoming upset and shutting him out? Given his comments about breastfeeding I have no confidence in what he said about my son's mouth and want to get another opinion. I will be going back to the states in the summer and i am feeling like that may be my best bet and fixing anything but that is still 6 months away.

    It's true that my baby's on the heavier side and that he's a fast gainer but I haven't been worrying too much about that. (At 8 weeks he is almost 6kg. According to my calculation he has been gaining an average of 265grams/week.) I am much more worried about being able to supply the breastmilk he is demanding.

    Currently, I am putting him to my breast 2-4 times a day. By the time I get to 4 times, it is quite painful and I will often tear up or cry. As far as looks, things look better. That is to say, my nipple isn't as flat or white when it comes out. Sometimes, it only hurts for a moment when he latches and then it's okay during the feed only to hurt a lot after the session. As far as feels go... I think it feels better but I am not sure. The first time I offer my breast, it isn't so horrible, but it isn't comfortable. This discomfort carries on to the next session and so on until it is extremely uncomfortable.

    All other times I bottle feed him expressed breastmilk. (Recently, my supply dropped over the holidays and I gave formula a few times. I am currently working on building it back up) When I give him the bottle, I do my best to pace feed him. He gets 90-100ml each time, depending on how much gets expressed. Unfortunately, he is almost always unhappy at the end of his feed and will cry and suck on his fingers for several minutes. After burping him and soothing him for that time though, he calms down and seems happy. However, I am afraid I am depriving him of what he needs. Should I offer more? Is he unhappy because he wants to suck and cannot do that with the bottle as he would the breast?

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    Most of what the doctor said was outrageous. However, since your child is primarily bottle fed, it IS possible that baby is being overfed, because it is pretty easy to do this with bottles. Baby gaining quickly and having a double chin is entirely normal, but the quick gain MAY be side affect of being bottle fed, not of being breatmilk fed...does that make sense?

    Baby is gaining about 9 ounces a week. Right? That is slightly above average, average gain is 6-8 ounces per week. but only slightly. In other words, that gain is not some obvious sign baby gets more from the bottles than baby needs. However, since it is certainly excellent gain, it may mean you could slightly reduce what baby gets each day in bottles, and that means you could slightly reduce how much you think you need to pump and get a little leeway that way. or Maybe you could even take away all formula if you wanted. Reduce some feedings to 75 or 80 mls, etc. if you wanted. In other words, knowing baby is gaining so well can offer you some relief that you may be making enough milk for baby. But it is not the kind of gain that is a sign baby is being seriously overfed. Many exclusively breastfed babies gain that fast and faster and it is entirely normal.

    Hope that helps.

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    So with the PP! Sounds like the English-speaking pediatrician should have spent more time studying his medical books, and less on English grammar...

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    I just came across this thread and have never posted before, but I am going through the EXACT same thing. I thought I was totally alone until reading this. My baby was born on November 17th 2015, so he's about 7 weeks old now and breastfeeding has been excruciating. I thought I had thrush, then vasospasm and bad latch and pretty much everything discussed on here. I have been on a break and exclusively pumping for about a week now. I just returned to work this week as well, so I pretty much just pump all day and get to feed him one, maybe two bottles in the evening and then do it all over again. I'm feeling like a dairy cow at this point and really miss breast feeding, but when I try to breast feed it causes the worst symptoms to flare up (the shooting pains all the way up to my armpits, even between feedings and all through the day). Pumping is painful as well but less so. It just hurts for the first minute or so, then it's fine and it's much more effective at emptying my breast than baby seems to be (and much faster as well).
    I am really wanting to go back to breastfeeding but I am terrified. I feel like no one can help me because I've seen doctors and LCs who all tell me everything is fine! I had to beg for medicine for thrush and it didn't really help. I would have thought all of this would be better by this point, but it's not and I am getting pretty sad about it.
    It does feel better just knowing I'm not totally alone, and at least one other person out there is going through this too. I just don't know how to proceed from here. Is there a solution to these issues?

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    Hi kbolton. Have you considered staring your own thread? You may get more responses that way, also, it can get confusing if more than one situation is discussed on the same thread.
    What I can tell you is nursing should not hurt. If it hurts to nurse, something is not right. The first step in this situation is to try to identify what the problem is. There may be more than one issue, and sometimes it is not clear what is wrong. But usually something can be identified as at least the most likely culprit. When that is identified, then there is a direction to go to fix the problem.

    You say you have seen LCs and doctors that tell you everything is fine. Obviously this is not acceptable. Nursing should not hurt. My best suggestion is to see another board certified lactation consultant, (IBCLC) and be sure the consult goes something like this: http://cwgenna.com/lconsult.html . Also, unless you have totally ruled out tongue tie r lip tie to your satisfaction, you could also consider looking for an ENT or pediatric dentist who has a reputation for diagnosing and treating tongue ties when breastfeeding hurts.

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    Hi noviah,

    I stumbled upon your thread when I was checking up on mine and while I don't have any advice, I was to say you are very brave for dealing with these challenges while living abroad! I lived in Japan and the medical system is different which made it really frustrating. I have no idea where in Japan you are so this may not be helpful at all, but if you are near Tokyo, St. Luke's and the red cross hospital in Hiroo have decent English speakers. Also, Dr. King in Harajuku is excellent, although not a pediatrician. Perhaps he could refer you though. Even though I spoke Japanese at work, I know speaking Japanese during medical appointments is really stressful so maybe being able to use English will help make things easier. Good luck!

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    kbolton, I copied your post out to its own thread: http://forums.llli.org/showthread.ph...ain-in-breasts

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