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  1. #31
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    Actually the second LC we saw said his jaw and back seemed really tight and told us to massage both but with everything the jaw sort of fell by the wayside.

    I was in "early labor" for weeks. By the time I finally went to the hospital I went from a 4 to all the way dilated within a matter of minutes. They panicked about not being able to get monitors etc on so while I started pushing (not having gotten into bed yet!) they vacuumed him. The theory being that the vacuum made his back and jaw tight. We managed to relax his back a little, but gosh we just forgot about the jaw. Thanks for the reminder!

    Auderey: We don't know if they'll clip it or not, and we need insurance to cover it. Tomorrow AM we go to the clinic LC (who we saw first and were NOT impressed with, she basically just tried for ten minutes and handed us formula samples) per his ped, to verify that the tie is causing a problem with his latch so that the doc can send us to the ENT to get it snipped. If the LC doesn't agree we're in for a long fight to figure out how to get this done. Assuming it needs done.

    Between pumping sessions it just makes more sense to be naked, and they're always covered in milk as it is! Probably why they're not as bad as they could be.

    Meanwhile we just nursed for maybe 10 minutes and I totally heard him swallowing but I'm SURE It was a bad latch, so maybe I'm one of the lucky ones with milk sinuses close to the nipples. He only wanted 20 Ml from the bottle afterwards.

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    Hi apifera. I have not read this thread so forgive me if I am way off base, but if I were going into see an LC or doctor who I thought was skeptical and I needed to convince them there was an issue, I would bring all the info I could get my hands on and basically (politely) demand a referral to the specialist.

    Lactation consultants -even IBCLC's, are not doctors, (unless they also have an MD after their name some do) they cannot diagnose ANYTHING. They can suspect, of course. They can give a recommendation. But they cannot diagnose lip or tongue tie one way or the other, or decide whether or not it is interfering with breastfeeding. It sounds suspiciously to me as if that is what this LC is going to be doing.

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    Hi Meg, his doctor did diagnose him with it, but she seems dubious as to whether or not it is an issue for breastfeeding. However, she seems open to it and made promises she'll do whatever it takes to help us get this issue resolved. She just wants the LC to weigh in. At least that's the impression I get. This was Friday and we're seeing the LC on Monday. If they don't go for it tomorrow I'm going to insist on the referral to the ENT, however, my impression is that I want the two of them on board in order to get to see them sooner, rather than later. Two of the peds I've seen, and one Nurse Practitioner I have a lot of respect for have sworn up and down this LC is amazing, and I guess that's why they want her on board. I am hoping I just saw her on an off day and that tomorrow will go well.

    I have some info printed out to take with me.

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    Well I certainly agree that having everyone on board will help things go smoother. Plus having someone who understands breastfeeding for after care AFTER any treatment is important.

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    my mind is still boggling at your birth story. they were worried he was coming too fast, so they vacuumed him out? that doesn't make ANY sense to me at all. (not being a doctor nor having been there, so take that fwiw.)
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    Didn't make sense to me either. I was pretty annoyed to find out they had done it. I was a high risk pregnancy and they wanted the baby well monitored during pushing and since they couldn't get monitors on fast enough they told me I had to push him out immediately- when I didn't comply fast enough they apparently vacuumed him. I was basically having the worst anxiety attack of my life, having suddenly discovered I was having a baby RIGHT THEN with no epidural (yes I am a wuss and planned to have one), so I was pretty unaware and the giant bump on his head was my only tip off. Meanwhile his apgar was 9.9 with a "would be a ten but we don't give tens."

    I walked from triage to my room and before I could get into bed I felt like I needed to push. I had him in under 5 minutes. Before that they had been trying to decide whether or not to admit me because my contractions were never regular. Not even during pushing.
    Last edited by @llli*apifera; July 22nd, 2013 at 01:06 AM.

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    I was a high risk pregnancy and they wanted the baby well monitored during pushing and since they couldn't get monitors on fast enough they told me I had to push him out immediately- when I didn't comply fast enough they apparently vacuumed him.
    That's so crazy! I began dilating/effacing at 31 weeks (everything else was fine), and was put on bed rest. I was in early labor a long time, even taken to L&D because I was so far dilated they thought I was in labor. I ignored my contractions one day and it turns out I was in labor. I went in "at an 8" and was a 10 within minutes. I went in so fast that there also was no time for consent papers or an IV. They wanted to monitor the baby constantly on an external monitor, but because I wouldn't comply to birth flat on my back or put an internal monitor in the doctor yanked my daughter out with her hands. Her upper back cracks now (do you think an adjustment might help?) ... so, to the extent that is possible, I empathise with you and am sorry that happened to you and your baby.
    Last edited by @llli*forecastofrain; July 22nd, 2013 at 10:53 AM.

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    So the LC clearly has some sort of baby whisper aura. He ate from both breasts (only the third time he latched to the left, ever!) and he got about two ounces. He actively sucked and swallowed for the first time- usually he's quite lazy about it. He didn't even need a bottle afterwards which is just yay.

    She did say that getting the tie clipped will help a lot to make his feeding more efficient and less painful for me. She said as he gets older and as we massage his chin, he'll open wider. She said the latch looked bad but hey, it's clearly working.

    So we got our referral and baby IS getting food. If I can replicate today's' feed I might be able to do away with bottles!

    Forcastofrain: Ugh, sometimes I wonder why doctors don't have to go through some sort of customer relations workshop. They can be so inconsiderate. Sorry that you went through that.

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    So we got our referral and baby IS getting food. If I can replicate today's' feed I might be able to do away with bottles!
    Whoohoo! Happy for you!

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    I'm glad that things went well at the LCs and that you're getting your referral. It must be such a relief to know that he is actually able to transfer milk too!

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