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    Default Re: Still hungry after nursing, big babies

    Lilah nursed for 45 minutes out of every hour for the first several months. Why don't you just put her back on the breast if she has her hunger cry, instead of giving her formula? And why are you giving bottles of formula instead of nursing? If she's content to nurse, then nurse. Nursing is not only about food. Maybe her stomach hurts from nursing for an hour and then gulping down 6 ounces of formula.
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    Is there any truth to their quality vs quantity thing?
    no! no no no no no. no.

    There is something wrong if nursing hurts that much. i would think its a recurrance of thrush, (which can be very hard to get rid off especially when pumping and supplementing as everything must be washed/steralized i don't know what alll...also thrush can live in other members of your family and recur again due to that. i recently heard of a case where the mom kept getting yeast from her dog!

    other possibilities-vasopasm, and/or you also have a bacterial infection which can occur along with thrush or on its own. thrush can cause baby to be uncomfortable as well which would explain some of this behavior.

    you and your baby could get a much more aggressive/effective treatment for thrush (diflucan? Gentian violet?) and this time be extremely careful with washing everything as needed for thrush-i don't have those details. they are laid out very clearly in the breastfeeding text breastfeeding answers made simple. maybe call these lcs you saw before and get more help understanding thrush and how to get rid of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*acover4422 View Post
    I figured that what my family have been telling me about big babies was probably wrong, but since they've raised big babies I thought I'd check. Is there any truth to their quality vs quantity thing?
    No truth to the quantity vs. quality thing. Women don't make skim milk. When there's a problem with a brestfed baby gaining weight, it's almost always dur to insufficient quanity of milk, because milk quality just doesn't vary that much.

    It's not too surprising that your family all has the same viewpoint on big babies- these myths are really potent! A long time ago, someone in your family had a big baby and got bad advice from a doctor or a friend or a magazine, and they've been spreading that bad advice through the family ever since. Prove them wrong!

    Unfortunately, we've already seen 4 LCs (not sure whether they were IBCLCs or not), and no one was able to help. We've also had five weeks of speech therapy; had her tongue-tie clipped; and both been treated for thrush (LO with a prescription from the paediatrician; me with grapefruit seed extract). The pain is like someone is cutting my nipple off; and yes, sometimes my nipple looks like a new lipstick and turns white after feeding. After the thrush treatment, the pain went away for a few days, but now the pain is back. At this point I don't know how to improve her latch. We've tried different positions; a nipple shield; catching her hunger cues early; feeding her when she's sleepy; gently pulling her chin down; and gently squeezing her cheeks together.
    I'm so lost here.
    I'd be interested to see if someone else can take a look at that tongue tie. Maybe it wasn't clipped enough? Lipstick nipples and blanching (a.k.a. vasospasm:http://kellymom.com/bf/concerns/moth...ple-blanching/) are caused by compression of the nipple when baby latches on too shallowly, and tongue tie can cause a shallow latch. Vasospasm is often mistaken for thrush. And compression of the nipple can cause slow feedings- it's like baby is "crimping the straw" as she drinks. Babies oftenake up for slow feedings by feeding almost constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*mommal View Post
    And compression of the nipple can cause slow feedings- it's like baby is "crimping the straw" as she drinks.
    That is very interesting. We usually find that when we give her a bottle, the teat comes out of her mouth completely pinched together to the point that it forms a seal. Is this a sign that the same thing is probably happening to my nipple?

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*acover4422 View Post
    That is very interesting. We usually find that when we give her a bottle, the teat comes out of her mouth completely pinched together to the point that it forms a seal. Is this a sign that the same thing is probably happening to my nipple?
    I'd say that this is definitely something you want to look into! When a baby sucks on a bottle, the nipple of the bottle generally comes out of the baby's mouth symmetrical. It's easy to get a good latch on a bottle when compared to the breast, so the fact that your baby is compressing the bottle nipple... That indicates to me that something is going on inside the baby's mouth. Since the baby already had her tongue tie clipped once, I have to wonder if maybe the tie wasn't clipped enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*mommal View Post
    I'd say that this is definitely something you want to look into! When a baby sucks on a bottle, the nipple of the bottle generally comes out of the baby's mouth symmetrical. It's easy to get a good latch on a bottle when compared to the breast, so the fact that your baby is compressing the bottle nipple... That indicates to me that something is going on inside the baby's mouth. Since the baby already had her tongue tie clipped once, I have to wonder if maybe the tie wasn't clipped enough.
    *Screams with frustration*

    I asked the speech therapist weeks ago (we've now stopped going, by the way, because it was completely unhelpful and in fact she even told me we'd exhausted all options) if that was normal; if the fact that she does that to a bottle might mean she's doing the same to my nipple. "Oh no," she said. "That's just not possible".

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    It may also be helpful to specifically see an Internationally Board Certified Lactation Consultant (IBCLC) the regular LCs you saw just may not be seeinging this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*acover4422 View Post
    *Screams with frustration*

    I asked the speech therapist weeks ago (we've now stopped going, by the way, because it was completely unhelpful and in fact she even told me we'd exhausted all options) if that was normal; if the fact that she does that to a bottle might mean she's doing the same to my nipple. "Oh no," she said. "That's just not possible".
    You're smarter than your speech therapist. I agree, sounds like you need someone else to take a look inside your baby's mouth. Your local LLL leader should be able to find you a recommended IBCLC.
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    Just out of puzzled curiosity...you're seeing a speech therapist for a three month old?

    And how is a speech therapist an expert on breastfeeding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*pianosinger View Post
    Just out of puzzled curiosity...you're seeing a speech therapist for a three month old?

    And how is a speech therapist an expert on breastfeeding...
    I know, right? But the way they put it to me (the referral came from an LC at LO's paediatrician) is that while they of course specialise in speech, a large part of that is tongue and cheek and general mouth control. That's how they help out with breastfeeding. But now that you put it that way... I never felt that she knew anything about breastfeeding other than how the process works, on paper.

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