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    Default Re: 8 weeks and failing miserably

    it should not hurt to nurse, no matter how long baby hangs out at the breast. Some mild soreness after marthathons, OK, but not so bad as you are indicating. Pain indicates a poor latch, which could also explain poor milk transfer and consequetnly the long feedings and not great weight gain. Also giving bottles unfortunately can contribute to a poor latch.

    This is why Dr. Jack Newman always insists that, when there are weight gain issues, the first thing to do is assess breastfeeding via observation and hands on assistance, preferably by a breastfeeding professional (such as an IBCLC) and not supplement as a first step (unless of course weight is seriously off and baby requires supplements immediately due to health issues.) Many moms (probably the vast majority) whose babies are gaining amore slowly are told to supplement as the first course of action and never assisted in any other way. It's very frustrating as this often leads to a premature ending of breastfeeding, a serious health issue.


    As far as it affecting milk supply to change nursing habit-I am still not convinced the issue is milk supply but whatever-on the one hand, when a mom needs to INCREASE milk supply, switch nursing (nursing both sides per feeding) is recommended. But otherwise, feeding on one side per feeding is fine as long as baby is satisfied. If you are nursing more frequently overall, it becomes less important supply wise to feed at both sides per feeding. Whatever you do, start nursing on the least sore side first and try different techniques for fixing the latch. Also make sure you are gently applying purified lanolin or another good nipple cream after every nursing session, shower, etc. For latch and positioniong ideas, Look up laid back positioning aka biological nurturing, breast sandwich technique, ameda latch video. If you want, post here a description of what exactly is happening pain wise (describe the pain, when it starts, does it lessen or intensify during the feeding, how long it lasts, is your nipple misshapen after nursing etc. and I am sure some moms will have suggestions. Or even start a new thread just to tackle the latch issue.

    As far as weight goes-sorry nothing makes sense to me except pounds and ounces. Can you tell me how many ounces did baby gain in the days just prior to supplementing and then what baby gained since supplementing in how many days? Babies this age average about an ounce of gain a day. Going up in percentiles is fine, but there is a misunderstanding out there that going up in percentiles is necessary to indicate adequate weight gain. But that is not how growth charts work. Unless the baby starts out seriously underweight, as long as baby stays on his own general percentile (curve) or goes up, he is probably growing fine.

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    thanks Meg!

    Hugo's birth weight was 7.4 lb and oz. Within a couple of days largely due to jaundice he dropped to 6.5. He has gained steadily (but arguably not enough) to reach, for example, 7.13 at 4 weeks then 9.2 on Monday just gone (he was 7 weeks and 5 days then, but still 2nd centile). We started supplements that day. On Thursday (8 weeks and 1 day) he was 9.13 and c. 9th centile.

    As advised, we've reached out to our local LLL contact and will get a lactation consultant to spend a few feeds with us, so she can observe and assist on the cycle of feeds and little issues we still have. I think this might be a very helpful way to go to as reducing/eliminating supplements remains very much our goal.

    will keep you all posted!

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    It sounds like you have a good plan of action, thanks for the update. Please keep us posted!

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    My son and I's experience is very similar to yours. I just wanted to say don't give up and be proud of yourself for keeping it up! We are now at 8 weeks as well and still struggling. My son had jaundice and was on formula for 2 days until my milk came in. Since, I have been pumping around the clock and feeding him solely breastmilk. He will only nurse when he is not fussy or overly hungry, and then he won't suck for more than 5 minutes. He has had a poor latch, bad suck and numerous problems. I always wanted to breastfeed, so was very dissapointed when we struggled. But now, I am happy that he is getting only breastmilk and that we are still trying to nurse. I set a lot of goals like "he will be only nursing in 5 days!" which were unrealistic and only served to discourage me more. Now, I set more practical goals, like pumping/nursing at least once a day until the age of two. Give yourself a break and be proud of the progress you've made! Many mothers wouldn't keep trying, but it is worth it for your son's health. Good job!

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