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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*jah73 View Post
    Are you getting engorged between feeds? Reading your posts has made me determined to stick this nightmare out! Didn't think a gone else could be going through what I am and still persevering!
    Well mama, I'm passed the engorgement part. My supply has slowed down a little. The spraying is not quite as bad. She still nurses BEST in her sleep tho. I'm glad you're determined to stick it out too!! We're gonna make it!!

    Just don't panic and offer so much you make her refuse altogether. That's the side we're on now. I'm trying to coax her back and show her mamas boobs aren't scary. I'm doing silly stuff like when she'll let me, putting it in her mouth and squirting milk in her mouth and tickling her or making funny sounds to make her laugh while my nipple is resting on her mouth. Or just talking to her while it's touching her.

    I can't say enough to not panic. that's what I did. Esp if her output is still good, don't panic. have you said what her weigh gain has been?

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    She is gaining what she should, but if I didn't spend so long trying to feed her, then she wouldn't. I don't force her but I do persevere but try to tickle her and stuff at the same time. How did you calm your supply down? Did you have same probs with your 1st child? Do you just alternate sides now?

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    8-10 time a day is PLENTY. So it's that plus once or twice at night? Than I would say there is no reason to worry and I daresay I also don't think you need to supplement AT ALL unless you are only pumping to relieve engorgement OR you think it's actually keeping your supply up. But I believe that if you are feeding that often even if it's ALL in her sleep your supply would maintain.
    I also want to say I really really appreciate your perspective and your determination. Keep up the good work mama! .

    Way too lazy for formula

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*jah73 View Post
    She is gaining what she should, but if I didn't spend so long trying to feed her, then she wouldn't. I don't force her but I do persevere but try to tickle her and stuff at the same time. How did you calm your supply down? Did you have same probs with your 1st child? Do you just alternate sides now?
    My 1st baby was just bigger everything, bigger mouth, bigger eyes, bigger toes, even her ear lobes were bigger. I think since her mouth was bigger, she was just able to handle all the milk. And she was the kind of OS reflux baby that gained like a pound every week for the 1st 6 weeks. No joke! She didn't mind all the spraying and choking and sputtering. She tried to keep up. She would pull off but leave her mouth open, almost like trying to catch it. And then want to comfort nurse all the time to keep all that milk down ya know??

    I think DD2 is more sensitive and has a smaller mouth and different personality. I was thinking how much I love nachos and how if every time I tried to eat them, they were thrown back in my face and the chips were catching in my throat and choking me and making me feel like I couldn't breathe, I would be scared to eat them too. DD2 sucks her thumb constantly to soothe her throat I think.

    I honestly think my supply calmed down some DUE to her strike. Like she missed some feedings and I didn't pump the missed ones right away. Every night she would nurse well, and I would always think she was getting better, and then morning would come and she would resume refusing. I knew I had OS too so at the suggestion of a leader, I only pumped to comfort maybe like every other time. I DO NOT think I had as much milk as you tho! And I never had mastitis.

    I just know it's a thin line between offering enough to get milk into them and offering so much you make it worse. When my baby shows the 1st sign of resistance I sit her up a li'l, or offer my pinky (just started doing that) and basically change the subject. Change her diaper, play or if it's naptime, I swaddle her and she puts herself to sleep.

    I know some ppl might object to this, but what about trying a nipple shield? It MIGHT catch some of the spray and kinda slow it down for your baby. And then after however long til it stops spraying, you could remove it, and relatch her. Is she that cooperative. Mine ISN'T.

    However, I do know that some ppl talk about a nipple shield making OS and OALD worse.

    Does spraying into a burprag 1st and then latching her not work?

    I do alternate sides now. I don't block feed anymore. But I still have enough for a feeding in one side. She only nurses on one side. And WHEN I pump, I go over 5 oz. and usually just stop when I'm about to overflow the bottle and make a mess. And you know how they always say "your baby removes milk better than any pump". That's ALOT of flippin' milk!

    Will she nurse with you both laying on your sides? So that the milk can dribble out her mouth easier? That was working for us BEFORE baby freaked.

    And will she not eat in her sleep? That has been the best solution for us. And has eased some of the stress for me. It's pretty awful having those little baby eyes look at you so mean. It helps calm me to see her nurse so peacefully at night. My baby doesn't pull off very often when she nurses in her sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*djs.mom View Post
    8-10 time a day is PLENTY. So it's that plus once or twice at night? Than I would say there is no reason to worry and I daresay I also don't think you need to supplement AT ALL unless you are only pumping to relieve engorgement OR you think it's actually keeping your supply up. But I believe that if you are feeding that often even if it's ALL in her sleep your supply would maintain.
    I also want to say I really really appreciate your perspective and your determination. Keep up the good work mama! .
    The bottle is for when she's alert and hungry and I've offered casually and she flips. I've relaxed a little bit worrying regarding her weight gain. I still can't stand it when ppl say "she's so widdle" all cutesy like. Now that I've had one big chubber baby and one petite baby, I will NEVER say anything about a baby's weight to a nursing mother again, chubby or not. I will only say how healthy and glowing and content they look on mama's milk. And now when ppl say my baby has skinny legs, I just say "her mama has skinny legs too". That's been shutting them up.

    I hope for 10 in a 24 period (which might be excessive, IDK - like I said, I've relaxed a little about her weight) but never go below 8 feedings, incl maybe one 1 oz. feeding by bottle a day.

    And I do feel good about my supply. I feel like I prolly still make a li'l too much.

    Thank you so much. I have one leader that's really sticking with me and isn't sick of me asking for help and she's had two that seemed to have aversions to nursing and both had reflux, and she keeps telling me it will come. Also, a mama on here em'd me the link to her story in New Beginnings about her baby striking for 5 months and how she still nurses now and she's a toddler. I'm going to be a success story too!! It's too important to me!

    Besides all of that - she'll barely take a bottle, so nursing her in her sleep is STILL the easiest solution for us.

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    ah i can't believe you have been dealing with this for so long! i am so sorry! i have written to you before... some of your experience remind me of my own though on a smaller scale. my 4 month old has reflux. we had a really hard week recently because he out grew the dose of his medicine. it took about a week to get back to "normal" after adjusting his dose based on his increased weight. during that week he didn't nurse much. it was painful for me both physically and emotionally! i cried many times he was behaving similarly to your little one. he arched and cried when i offered to feed him, was fussing non-stop, only nursed when he was totally exhausted, couldn't nap until totally beat. the zantac is key to his comfort. when he spits out too much when i give it to him, he usually ends up having a hard day. so i give him a half dose when he can't nurse (knowing that he didn't get a good dose or if he spit it up within ten minutes of taking it). my doc gave me the dosing info and there is a range that they can take of the zantac so maybe you can increase the dose? or you can go to a GI specialist? my friend had to go to a GI and ended up with priolsec. if my guy wasn't on zantac he would be a sad, striking baby. now, when all is squared away with his meds, he is generally happy. the difference is striking and sort of unbelievable.
    i imagine you have probably thought of all this and maybe explored a million things! i dont want to offend but just wanted to share and offer support because just from my experience, i know that the reflux is tricky and stressful and heartbreaking. good luck!!!!

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    also, i found that tight waist bands make the reflux worse as well as any carrier that scrunches up the babe's legs. he only tolerated the baby bjorn and now will go in the ergo when he feels good but hated the sling and the moby. i tend to keep him upright or inclined even at the changing table. he used to sleep on his belly (on my chest) but is too big now and sleeps on his side next to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*hawthorne View Post
    my 4 month old has reflux. we had a really hard week recently because he out grew the dose of his medicine.
    Curious how much he takes. My friend's baby just got zantac and he weighs less than my baby and is taking 1.5 ml. My baby is 13 lbs and is taking .8 ml. ???

    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*hawthorne View Post
    when he spits out too much when i give it to him, he usually ends up having a hard day.
    How can I help her swallow more of it? I've tried mixing it up with expressed milk and i feel like she still spits some/most of it.

    No offense. At all. She did latch on once today alert and sucked like crazy really fast but she popped off either because it hurt or because there wasn't milk instantly??

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*hawthorne View Post
    also, i found that tight waist bands make the reflux worse as well as any carrier that scrunches up the babe's legs. he only tolerated the baby bjorn and now will go in the ergo when he feels good but hated the sling and the moby. i tend to keep him upright or inclined even at the changing table. he used to sleep on his belly (on my chest) but is too big now and sleeps on his side next to me.
    She won't sit down. She wants to stand up on your lap. She actually doesn't fuss too much in her carseat, but she does arch her back in the moby and the sling. She's rolling over now and wants on her belly for sleep. I wish I would've started the medicine right away but I let someone talk me out of it.

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    Default Re: What bottle is best for a breastfed baby on strike

    the dose for zantac is 4-6mg per kilograms of weight then divide that by 1/2 for twice a day dosing. i used an online calculator to figure out kilograms. my baby is now almost 17 pounds so i give him the minimum for that weight which is 1.5mL. he was taking 1mL before which wasn't enough! you could talk to your doc about the dose. we took what i thought was the minimum and that was 1mL. my doc gave me this info so that i could figure out the dose myself (as we have been traveling so wouldn't be back to the same doc for a few months.)
    i found that even the type of syringe made giving the medicine easier. at first we had a long skinny syringe and that was messy and the babe spit out tons. when we got a refill of his meds the pharmacy gave us a fatter syringe so we don't have to pull out the one part as far and it is a quick squirt. if i lay babe down nearly flat and get the syringe in the back corner of his mouth and quickly squirt the meds in there, it seems to work best. he often has to swallow and his tongue doesn't kick it out. then i keep him upright for 20 minutes or so to make sure he doesn't spit it out. also, i usually try to burp him before and try to give him the meds before he eats or an hour after he ate last so he won't spit it up with his last meal.
    hope this helps!!! the dosing stuff just makes me stomach hurt because it just seems like what we had going on last week... crossing my fingers.

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