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    Unhappy Diminishing Supply :o(

    My son is 14 weeks old. I demand feed him. I am with him full time 5 days a week and have at a baby sitter for 4 hours on the other two days. Until this week he has been exclusively on BM. This week my BM has been diminished and I can't figure out why. THe little guy was happy with alittle formula supplimentation, as I have gone through most of my frozen stores. This is not what I want, I want him exclusively on BM.

    He is thriving, in the 90% for length and weight, I am feeding him full feedings every two hours. My ped. recommended giving him one to two bottles every day with a tablespoon of rice cereal to stretch his feedings a little bit and give him a little extra substance (the mash potato effect as he called it)

    the past few mornings (which was usually my best pumping time) I have barely gotten 3 ozs. What can I do so my milk doesn't dry up and so I don't have to feed the little guy formula!!

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    Default Re: Diminishing Supply :o(

    It sounds like you are really concerned about your supply! I can understand that concern and your wanting to avoid formula. It sounds like your ds is thriving on your milk and you have reason to worry about your milk drying up! Good for you! But you want to be able to provide him bm when you are away.

    First I wanted to mention that cereal in a bottle can be a choking hazard and I would caution you about using that practice. Here is a resource with references:

    http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/so...ids-sleep.html

    You may wish to discuss this with your ped.

    Also, if you are using the bottles of EBM while you are with him, then that may affect your supply. I would suggest that you nurse him always when with him. He is the best "pump" your body could have. Also, you will save the EBM for when you are away for him. This is when you really need it!

    Does this make sense to you? Do you think it is something you could try?

    May I ask a few questions?
    What type of pump are you using? Is it new or used? Have you tried manual expression?

    Are you able to pump while away for the 4 hours? Could you hand express?

    Some moms find that nursing baby *right* before they leave is helpful in this situation. So, you could get all ready to go: coat, purse and everything by the door (if you are at home). Or get to the sitter's 15 minutes earlier. Then sit down and nurse ds. This will extend the time that he needs his next bottle.

    Also, you may want have a disussion with ds's sitter about reading his hunger cues so that she is not over-feeding him while you are gone. If she can use other things to make him happy it may not be the milk that he needs. He may just miss you and need lots of holding, cuddling, singing, etc.

    Please let me know how things are going for you!

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    Default Re: Diminishing Supply :o(

    My pump is a medela pump in style. It was new. And I was doing really well with pumping, then i took a week off when i went home to visit and when I came back I seem to get less and less each day.

    I stopped giving the little guy the bottles, it is too hard for me to pump enough and to be honest he gets enough when i am with him everyday. But now I am even having trouble pumping to leave my babysitter with two 4-5 oz bottles two days a week! I love my babysitter, but I know she over feeds him. she says he screams until she feeds him and I know he is not that hungry, but I would rather her feed him if it is the only way she can seem to handle it. I have tried talking to her and it is a really sore spot for me because I am not happy because I know if I were there he wouldn't need to eat to calm down but what can I do besides talk to her? She is in control when I leave him. I trust her implicitly but I think she jsut feeds him because she jsut can't stand to see a baby cry, especially him because he is not a crier. He barely ever crys when I am there.

    I do go to her house early and the last thing I do before I leave is BF. He sleeps for 12 hours at night 10:30 to 10:30 with two feedings. I am blessed! I wish I could get him to sleep thirty minutes later so he would take his first nap right when I finish feeding him at her house. he did it once and then he only did one feeding there and ate as soon as I got back. SHould I try to feed him a slightly larger bottle when she feeds him? And not put the cereal in it anymore? (he only gets them when she watches him)

    My biggest concern is that I pump more. I don't wnat to have to just give him formula at the babysitters. I do not get a chance to pump whil I am away the four hours. I am a college senior and go to two classes back to back then I head straight to get my LO. Could this be the problem? I am rambling. I appreciate teh help and advice! I looked into seeing a lactation specialist, but my insurance won't cover it unless it is a failure to thrive or medical issue. I really want to keep breast feeding as I know all the benefits but I feel like the pumping is the problem. It is frustrating that I am having trouble finding help unless I can afford to pay for it!

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    Default Re: Diminishing Supply :o(

    I also had diffaculty finding support. I found a wonderful specialist through the Healthy Start Program that I found through my local health department. I don't qualify for WIC or other goverment aids but they were still happy to sit down and talk with me.
    I wish you the best of luck.

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    Default Re: Diminishing Supply :o(

    WIC is great, I am a single mom and do qualify, I talked to them. WHen they couldn't help, they refered me to a lactation consultant. 80$ for the first hour, prorated from then on. It is sad that it is hard to find support. This forum has been wonderful, it helps knowing that I can get some answers and that otehrs are having the same difficulties

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    Default Re: Diminishing Supply :o(

    First of all I have to say, you are doing a wonderful job and you should be very proud of yourself! Your son is lucky to have such a caring and concerned mom.

    We will continue to give you ideas, support and information, as much as you need! Do you know if there are any LLL Leaders in your area? Here is how to find one:

    http://www.lalecheleague.org/leaderinfo.html

    I think you will be very happy with the personal help you could receive from a local Leader.

    Now, how many times in 24 hours does your ds nurse?

    It is a good idea that you are doing away with the bottles w/cereal. They could be causing your supply issues, by filling up ds so much that he is not nursing enough. And the nutrition in the cereal is not as complete as your milk. Ounce per ounce, BM is the most caloric food you could give him.

    Here is a resource on that:
    http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/vi...dcalories.html

    Also, it seems that two bottles of 4-5 ounces is a lot of milk for 4 hours. You have already said that you realize this, but I just wanted to agree with you!

    Here is another link on that:
    http://www.kellymom.com/bf/pumping/milkcalc.html

    Would you consider allowing ds to use a pacifier while at the sitter's so that you could get by with leaving less milk? What if your sitter were to wear ds in a sling or front carrier? Would this be something she might try? Another thing, and this is probably not possible, but...is she close by? Could she meet you in between your two classes? Give ds a quick couple of minutes to nurse? Probably pretty tough to do...I mean, I know how college campuses are...large and hard to navigate sometimes. But I thought I would throw out all of my ideas.

    I don't think going 4 hours without pumping is likely the issue, but the overall number of times you nurse/pump could be. So it certainly could help if you could pump/hand express between your two classes. Logistically this might be tough, but it could help.

    In the meantime, something else you might try is pumping at night after ds goes to sleep. If you have to, you could set your alarm to get up during the night, or early in the morning. You said he sleeps from 10:30-10:30 with two feedings. Did you mean he wakes up twice during that 12 hour stretch? Could you find some time in there somewhere to add a pumping session?

    Ok, I have bombarded you with tons more info! I will stop for now!
    Last edited by LLLKate; November 3rd, 2006 at 09:45 AM. Reason: remove extra link

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    Default Re: Diminishing Supply :o(

    Well, I am blessed with a happy healthy thriving baby. He has steadily put on weight since I left the hospital with him. From one month he has slept a twelve hour night with two feedings. By a month and a half he self regulated into a schedule.
    Bed time is 10:30, he wakes between 5 and 5:30 for his first feeding, then again at 8:30. The first thing he does is eat and poop when he is up at 10:30. He is back down for 1.5 hour nap after eating at 1230. He eats every two hours throughout the day. I was having a little trouble with pumping at first because I wasn't getting up to do it until 830 and then I was having long sleep periods where I wasn't eating. So now, I get up at 530 after feeding him and pump. I also eat breakfast and then get back to bed. his crib is in my room but ofter this first feeding we sleep in the same room. I also would pump in the after noon if I gave him the bottle. (the bottle with cereal only gave me about 2.5 hours until he was ready to eat again). I also pump at night after he goes to bed.

    I talked to my babysitter again today and she only fed him one four ounce bottle almost two hours after I left, I go early to so nurse him is the last thing I do before taking off to class. Today it was the first thing I did when I got back. Is this too much in one feeding? (4oz)
    She also said that today she resisted holding him the whole time I was gone. She let him play on the floor and also sit in a bouncy seat instead. might this have been what helped prolong him?

    How often should I pump at night, I will gladly get up to pump again if it could help....

    Thanks so much, i am already feeling better and less stressed which is probably the best help you could give me!!

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    Default Re: Diminishing Supply :o(

    I am SO glad you are feeling better!

    Whatever your sitter did yesterday I would definitely have her keep it up! If ds is happy, and she can get by with that one bottle, then things will lighten up for you as far as pumping is concerned.

    If you want to add a pumping session, you can do it virtually anytime you want. Whatever is convenient for you (and ds!).

    I hope things continue to go well. Keep us posted!

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