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    Unhappy Just got back from hospital...:( LONG Story.

    My 4 month old and I went for a checkup for his eczema. It was extreme and oozing and I was afraid of it being infected. So I went on a frantic search for a pediatrician. Unfortunately, there were no pediatricians that were accepting new patients, taking medicaid, AND is on my side of vaccinations and parenting. So I just randomly picked one from my medicaid booklet of doctors. Seeing a pediatrician is better than doing nothing. and using natural home remedies were not working at all.

    Well, we got to the pediatrician's office. They weigh him and all that and stuck us in a room for what feels like an hour. The pediatrician finally comes in with her laptop and says "well, I'm worried about his weight. He has only gained 1 pound." I looked at her as if she was lying because I weighed him at home and he was gaining just fine. It didn't make sense to me. But he was way off the chart so she says. She then brings up the conversation about his vaxes and I told her that it wasn't the right time right now. She kept saying that he needed it and I kept saying no not now. DH was in the room too so she kept asking him about his health decisions. I felt bad because he is the one who is ALL for vaccinations but we can't talk about that decision because it would be one ugly fight. Anyways, because the ped thought he needed to see medical attention, she called up the children's hospital to save a bed. She then told me it was so urgent that she will call CPS if I don't go up there. I felt scared and cried. It felt like I was starving my child and didn't know. DH cried too and we both held DS tightly. DH gave me a pep talk and after that, I don't think he trusts me solely making the health decisions for DS.

    We got to the hospital and they do tests upon tests. The doctors, nurses, lactation consultants, social worker, and feeding specialists all wondered what I did when I was feeding him. I told them I was EPing about every 3-4 hours, which yielded about 4 ounces at most. He was also sleeping through the night from 10 pm to 5-7 am (whenever he wakes up) Very rarely he would wake up around 2-3 am for a night feed and that's when I give him the boob. They saw that I was underfeeding him, especially with the sleeping through the night. (and I thought STTN was good ) But the doctor thought it was acid reflux (he spits up a lot) so she had him on zantac. Then, they also put 2.5% hydrocortisone cream and aquaphor for his eczema (it was indeed infected). I was gritting my teeth with all the lovely chemicals they're putting on him BUT I was hoping it was only temporary. They also put me on a schedule to feed him ever 3 hours with 5 ounces of milk. 5 ounces???? I can never pump that much. I saw no hope for my breastfeeding and I talked to the LC there. She said "well, there is nothing much you can do. It's either give him some formula mixed with the breastmilk or starve him." and she handed me a sheet a paper that said what to do to produce more milk. I've already done everything on that list before and I never saw anything significant. DH said plain and simple "we're doing formula". I told him "okay fine... but it's going to be mixed in with the pumped breastmilk." i didn't feel like arguing, as I was already stressed. I was only able to pump 3 ounces (somehow my supply dropped an ounce when I was there and stayed that way ever since). So I had to mix in 2 ounces of formula with it. DH gave him 1 full-formula feed during the night. He gained weight and the hospital staff were happy.

    Well, the stress doesn't stop there. DH doesn't trust my eating habits either. He picked at every little thing I eat and says "you're not getting enough [enter vitamin or mineral here]" The big one was on protein. I have been on the vegan diet (mostly 75% raw) and don't eat meat or animal by-products. DH is a big omnivore and I swear, his food pyramid consists of meats, cheeses, pizzas, and pastas and the usual little debbie snack cakes. I eat protein but it's in unusual ways like beans and nuts. Then, he claims I need to eat more. Okay, that I can agree with. He's SO worried about my breast milk production and what DS is getting in nutrients. As you can tell, we're VERY stressed on getting him to gain weight. And I'm afraid my breast milk production will go down for it. I feel like a failure. He has me doing a list of what I eat daily.

    *sighs* So, I was wondering is it really possible to pump 5 ounces of breastmilk at one time every three hours? Should I be worried about my protein intake? I wish I could go back to nursing him but I am in the middle of school and I am soon to be doing an internship next week (which is like a work schedule). This internship is 2 hours away from my house and it will only last for a month. Is it possible to go back to nursing after my school and internship is done? I'm graduating this May. But I don't think this new pediatrician will approve (the doctors assigned me a new pediatrician for followups).

    I'm very very lost at what to do.. I'm at the brink of just doing formula and give up. It's effecting my grades and my relationship with DS and DH. I want a normal breastfeeding relationship but at this point, I feel like it's impossible. I need some word of advice.
    Proud 1st time mommy of Aiden Marcus 10/30/2010

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    I'm so sorry you're having so much trouble.

    Is there any way to pump every 2 hours instead? Do you wake at night to pump? Long stretches will have an impact on your supply. What pump do you have? Is it hospital grade?

    Don't give up. Even some breastmilk mixed with formula is better than all formula.
    Amanda
    Formerly: baby-blue-eyes

    Canadian Mum to Naomi Born 03/17/08 and has a dairy allergy we are hoping she will outgrow. Nursed for 1 year
    And Gavin Born 01/13/10. 22 months, still nursing and already determined to find every possible way of giving me a heart attack with his dare devilishness

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    I am so sorry that you are having so much trouble! I can relate with the issue of finding a pedi on the medi card. I can say that it is possible to supply that much, I can pump 10 - 18 ounces every 2 hours. I have a 4 month old daughter who is EB. I do have to pump sometimes to relieve the excess. Try staring at a picture of your baby smiling and one of your baby crying. And the key is to relax, which sounds like it will very hard right now. But stress will slow your supply. I had twins first, who are now 5 and I EB them as well. I EP for my middle daughter and would pump 5 times a day and would get 20 ounces at a time. Try pumping every hour to build up your supply. You can do this, and if not then you know you tried your hardest. Good luck!

    @llli*momma4
    dh 06/26/99
    & 02/15/06
    12/08/07
    11/22/10 *still nursing*

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    that sounds very stressful mama

    Hang in there.

    I would pump more frequently and add formula until your supply increases. Are you taking any herbal supplements to increase your supply?

    Typically a baby who is bottle fed breastmilk will drink 1.5 ounces for ever hour you are away. So, 3 ounces every two hours, or 4.5 ounces every 3 hours (which is probably why they suggested 5 ounces every three hours - weight gain).

    Were you keeping track of how many ounces he was getting a day? At 4 months, it should be about 25-28 ounces in a 24 hour period. Although they may want you to offer more than that if they are worried about weight gain.
    ~Jenn~


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    Are you exclusively pumping? Is there a reason you can't be nursing when you're home and pumping when you're gone? The best way to increase your milk supply is to nurse on demand -- and i realize you're gone for some of the day, but if you nurse when you're home, that's the best thing you can do.

    STTN is not really a great thing if you're trying to increase weight of baby and your own supply. It's great for your sleep, of course but will kill your supply quickly. Have you thought about cosleeping? Would DH and you be open to that?

    I actually went through a phase when I had to wake my son twice a night to feed him because i knew it was either that or pumping. I never felt comfortable until he awas about 12 months going for longer than four hours without either nursing or pumping. And for me, nursing was always preferable because it was more time with him and less time with the machine. He went through a time where if i didn't wake him he would sleep til 5am. So I would go in around one and grab him and fall asleep with him in his room while he nursed. I really feel like those night time nursings are what helped keep us going since i'm working full time.

    Now he's 15 months and wakes naturally at least once a night to eat. I think the night nursing is comforting for both of us, and it puts less pressure on you to go crazy about getting enough milk in during the day.
    Julia and Maxwell (and Dan and Haddie)
    Maxwell, born January 3, 2010
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    poor mama im so sorry your going through this!

    we had a similar experience with DS not gaining weight and being hospitalized... however I was pregnant so that was my reason my supply was down.

    I agree with PP, any breastmilk is better than none at all. Also waking once at night to pump may help to boost your supply. Dont give up mama, you can do this. Milk is based on supply and demand, and i definitely think your nursing relationship can improve once you graduate. Just keep pumping what you can and nursing when your with him.

    and i hope you can work things out with your DH so you can see more eye to eye on health care decisions. FWIW i love the route your taking as far as trying to be as natural as possible
    Student aspiring to be a Chiropractor and mother to Noah who will be 3 in July and Olivia who will be 2 in Aug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*momma4 View Post
    I am so sorry that you are having so much trouble! I can relate with the issue of finding a pedi on the medi card. I can say that it is possible to supply that much, I can pump 10 - 18 ounces every 2 hours. I have a 4 month old daughter who is EB. I do have to pump sometimes to relieve the excess. Try staring at a picture of your baby smiling and one of your baby crying. And the key is to relax, which sounds like it will very hard right now. But stress will slow your supply. I had twins first, who are now 5 and I EB them as well. I EP for my middle daughter and would pump 5 times a day and would get 20 ounces at a time. Try pumping every hour to build up your supply. You can do this, and if not then you know you tried your hardest. Good luck!

    @llli*momma4
    dh 06/26/99
    & 02/15/06
    12/08/07
    11/22/10 *still nursing*
    Is this right? That's 100 oz. per day....or 25 four ounce bottles.

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    Are their other symptoms your son has besides eczema? It sounds like it is pretty bad if you went to the hospital for it. You should really see a pediatric allergist to determine if it is food related since about half is , and if is and you are on a limited diet, you might have to reconsider your dietary choices. Note that the top allergens are dairy, soy, eggs and nuts.

    The reason I am asking about other symptoms is that low weight gain can be a symptom of an allergy, as well as mucous, bloody stools, general fussiness, congestion. If he has some of these symptoms then it is likely it is something you are eating that is causing the eczema versus being environmentally based. Either way, it sounds like you need to get into an allergist right away to help figure out the cause.
    DS-11/06- known IGE allergies to dairy, eggs, peanuts, tree nuts, beef, lamb, duck, amaranth, mustard and more...
    Outgrew pork, oats, soy, chickpeas, peas, turkey, chicken, shellfish and wheat. He has now outgrown more than half his food allergies

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*desertchildaz View Post
    Is this right? That's 100 oz. per day....or 25 four ounce bottles.
    Yes ma'am. I supplied enough for my little over eater and my cousins baby as well.

    I had twins for my first breastfeeding experience. I EB them until they were 20 weeks and due to misinformation my supply dried up. Long story. But I have heard of other women soley breastfeeding multiples larer than twins without a problem.

    And that was when she was a year so you are looking at 100 ounces divided by 8 ounces is like 12 and half bottles. I had so much excess we bought a big freezer for it. LOL


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    dh 06/26/99
    & 02/15/06
    12/08/07
    11/22/10 *still nursing*

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    Quote Originally Posted by @llli*lorders View Post
    Are their other symptoms your son has besides eczema? It sounds like it is pretty bad if you went to the hospital for it. You should really see a pediatric allergist to determine if it is food related since about half is , and if is and you are on a limited diet, you might have to reconsider your dietary choices. Note that the top allergens are dairy, soy, eggs and nuts.

    The reason I am asking about other symptoms is that low weight gain can be a symptom of an allergy, as well as mucous, bloody stools, general fussiness, congestion. If he has some of these symptoms then it is likely it is something you are eating that is causing the eczema versus being environmentally based. Either way, it sounds like you need to get into an allergist right away to help figure out the cause.
    eczema that bad. fussiness/spit up to the point a dr said it could be reflux and low weight gain sounds like a trip to a pediatric allergist is a necessity.

    I also agree with the pps who said pumping more often (or even better nursing on demand) and the best ways to increase your supply.

    While it is true that the quality of your milk has very little to do with what you eat you may need to be more flexible if your LO has food allergies.

    If you are naturally minded traditional Chinese medicine has a good track record with treating eczema (but rule out food allergies first please)
    proud but exhausted working mammy to two high needs babies

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