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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 11:11 PM
    I agree with pp. The point of paced feeding is it give baby control- if baby wants milk "faster" baby can indicate that and pauses can be shorter if that is what baby wants. but trying to mimic how milk actually flows from mom's breast when baby nurses, is probably impossible as well as totally unneeded. The physiology of bottles and breast are so utterly different, it is impossible to replicate really, so the issue is more about allowing baby to control the feeding-amount of milk and "pace" of the feeding, more like baby does at the breast- even if mom has fast letdown, baby has more control over how much milk comes at once than when a baby is fed bottles in the "traditional" prone position.
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  • @llli*alphawoman's Avatar
    Today, 11:01 PM
    And just like that, as if in the blink of an eye, DS and I have been nursing for 3 years! :D My little lactivore is, by my calculations, only just in the last 2 or 3 months getting a little over half of his nutrition from fresh, mostly organic, whole foods. For anyone nursing a child who refuses to eat, this is my sweet boy who effectively only nursed until 2.25. The transition to solids will happen on your child's time. I managed to fill in his nutrition with a perfect food I make in my own body (that's a superpower, if you ask me!) thanks to domperidone from 13 months until the transition began in earnest. We now nurse anywhere from (I'd hazard) 6 to 8 times per day, sometimes as many as 10 times, with a few feeds overnight for good measure. DS has yet to STTN. Tonight, before going to bed, DS hugged my breasts and said, "I love you boobs!" I feel incredibly proud and empowered when I look at my amazing 3 year old (!) son because: A) I see a thriving, happy boy
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  • @llli*tomzgirl's Avatar
    Today, 10:31 PM
    Hi, there! I'm reaching out to see if there are any like-minded gals on this page. I've never been pregnant, but we are hoping to adopt a newborn soon, and I want to BF. I've read encouraging things about adoptive moms having success with induced lactation, so I plan to start pumping soon and see what happens. I'd be grateful for any advice, support and/or experiences you've had to help me on this journey!
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  • @llli*liz.g.autry's Avatar
    Today, 08:42 PM
    My pumping/feeding schedule is as follows: 3am - breastfeed and bottle-feed, then pump at about 3:30pm 6am - Daddy gets up and bottle-feeds her 8am - breastfeed, then hand off to Daddy to bottle-feed while I pump 9:30am - pump, then bottle-feed at 10am Noon - breastfeed and bottle-feed, then pump at 12:30pm 1:30pm - pump, then bottle-feed at 2pm 4pm - breastfeed and bottle-feed, then pump at 4:30 6pm - Daddy bottle-feeds while I pump
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:55 PM
    Tclynx obviously has better reading comprehension than I do! ;) 20 oz in just 3 pump sessions is a lot of milk. Average daily intake for a breastfed baby, per the reliable kellymom.com, is 19-30 oz, and that would generally be spread out over 8-12 nursing sessions per day. You're getting 20 oz in just 3 sessions, maybe 6-8 hours of separation? Definitely suggestive of oversupply.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:51 PM
    :ita Such a good question! Most people would say that weaning should start at 12 months, not be complete by 12 months. Of course, there's ideal and then there's life, so you do what you have to! If you choose to wean, start by eliminating a single feeding and replacing it with a bottle. Wait a few days, allowing your supply to adjust to the new, lower level of demand, and then cut out a second feeding and replace it with a bottle. Continue until all unwanted sessions are gone. As you wean, enlist lots of help from friends and family. A happily nursing baby doesn't understand why her mama is suddenly denying her the breast, and that can lead to a lot of upset and tears. Being able to hand baby off to grandma or daddy can really help when baby wants the breast and mom doesn't feel like she can offer it.
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  • @llli*m11612's Avatar
    Today, 06:48 PM
    I had over active letdown and oversupply so my lo was used to fast milk, but we stuck with slow flow bottled. I think this was ultimately more breastfeeding supportive. In part, this was because my mother in law found it easier to actually do paced bottle feeding and control the flow with the slow flow bottles. It seemed to cause less confusion for baby too. One time a nipple sort of wore out and became faster flow without us realizing and it was not good. Thankfully we figured it out quickly and tossed the nipple.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 06:40 PM
    Here is my experience. When my middle child was 2 years old I took a four day out of town trip. I most definitely did NOT want him to wean, but knew it was a risk. Or rather, I knew it was a risk that the separation would cause a nursing strike and that might lead to a scenario where I could not get him to nurse again. I believe natural weaning occurs when a child decides they are done, and if a child is unable to nurse because mom is not there, and the trauma of that leads to baby no longer nursing, that is not really natural weaning. This is entirely my opinion. I took a small hand held electric pump and pumped in the morning and the evening, in my hotel room, and maybe one more time, I forget. No more than 2 or 3 times each day for about 10 minutes a side. I did not save the milk. It was simple and did not cramp my style at all, and I was sharing a room (luckily my roomie had also breastfed.) I did this so I would not get full or leak, but I also wanted to be sure milk production was not overly impacted. When we got back he started nursing again without a hitch, and I was very relieved.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 06:26 PM
    yes you are right this sounds odd- It sounds like incomplete advice, rather than actually incorrect.... But even incomplete advice can be very harmful. I am glad the more frequent nursing suggestions helped. It is my favorite suggestion because it is simple and it helps with so many breastfeeding issues. Of course, it does not always help with latch pain but it often does help with that too! BTW once you wean off formula you can start weaning of the breastmilk supplements- you do NOT necessarily have to give baby everything you pump each day...even breastmilk supplements cause feeding problems if baby is getting more than they need.
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 06:14 PM
    Can you explain the situation more? Why are you breastfeeding only 4 or 5 times per day? And why does pumping at exactly two hours affect when you can next put baby to the breast? I would think you should be pumping after nursing, and nursing at least 12 times per day. Is the lip tie getting cut? Have you sought another opinion on the tongue tie? Are the bottles being given via paced bottle feeding? Are they being kept small? Premies often have small mouths and latching can be challenging while they are still tiny. Have you sought help from an IBCLC?
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  • @llli*liz.g.autry's Avatar
    Today, 04:57 PM
    Well my ongoing adventure in pumping and breastfeeding continues. My little girl is almost 2 weeks adjusted (15 weeks actual) and I'm getting to the end of my rope as far as pumping goes. I'm just so sick that every two hours I have to put her down to spend 30 minutes pumping. She'll be wide awake and looking around and I have to put her down. I can't delay because that will mess up when I can try to put her to breast next. I've read about some mom's who have had success setting aside a couple of days where the baby just breastfeeds, no bottles. Basically a breastfeeding boot camp. I'm debating whether that is something I want to try with my little one. I still struggle with low supply, pumping a total of 350mL in addition to 4-5 breastfeeding sessions a day. Her latch is rather lazy, she won't open up wide and once she's on milk is constantly dribbling out the side of her mouth. I managed to get her to latch properly yesterday for the first time, no leakage and a good 5 minutes of good deep swallows. She has an upper lip tie. I was concerned she might also have a posterior tongue tie, but our pediatrician said no. He just went by looks though so I'm not so sure. She's still young and has only just started really letting us know if we're late to a feeding. She's also showing nipple preference, if I offer her my breast first she'll chomp and pull and fuss. I have an SNS system but I've only used it a handful of times, it's just so fiddly. I'm just reaching a...
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 03:44 PM
    If nursing more seems to be helping, nurse even more if you can. We had issues with my LO and my supply if I let him sleep as long as he would overnight, so there was a stretch of time where I was setting the alarm for 3 hours at night since it made a difference over setting the alarm for 4 hours. Now you probably don't need to do this indefinitely, probably only till you can wean off supplements and weight gain is good. Nursing more often will bring your supply up and help baby learn to nurse without biting/clamping down on you. Now days I just set one alarm for as close to the middle of the night as I can to make sure we don't both sleep too long and wind up with me engorged and in pain by the time we do wake up. Normally we have already nursed some before it goes off but I just use it as a cue to switch sides then.
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  • @llli*jazztpt's Avatar
    Today, 03:30 PM
    I do track exactly how much I pump, how much breastmilk we give him in a bottle, and how much formula. I pump 5-6 oz per day, so thanks for letting me know that is normal -- yay! We give him all five of those (or 4 or 6 or however many I have that day). The formula is harder to say, because it has varied a lot. At its peak it was 14 I think, but I have been trying to get it down and had gotten it to 6 or 8 until the other day. Thanks to all who said to nurse more frequently. I have been for the past few days, and it has made such a difference! As it turns out, the reason it was so painful is because he was "hangry" at every feeding. I have nursed him 13 times each of the last two days, and aside from the middle of the night feeding (which happens after a longer break) he now sucks instead of biting. Hallelujah! I have to nurse him before he shows any signs of being hungry, but so far it seems to be working like a charm. I didn't even know he knew how to nurse properly. During the night I might let my husband give him breastmilk in a bottle while I pump until our son sorts out his biting issues. We had already seen two IBCLCs before posting to this board. Their advice I suspect caused some of the issues we were having, because they advised me to take him off the breast if he didn't appear to be swallowing or if it was too painful, and also suggested that it is never necessary to leave him on for more than 20 min on a side. So I was constantly pulling him...
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Today, 02:50 PM
    (The reason I ask is because if it were me, and if I weren't matched yet, I'd be disappointed if i weaned my daughter earlier than necessary. If you are eligible to be matched at Feb 2015, and even if you were matched right away, I would think any acceptable family would be / should be cool with waiting 2-3 months due to you breastfeeding your own baby-- I would think that this would be a huge plus for a family, in fact, because it would show the care and concern and commitment you have for health and for children, which would bode well for how you would care for their baby in utero, you know? And if you aren't matched with a family right away, then you get to enjoy a longer nursing relationship with your baby. But if you are already matched with a family, and that is the hard and a fast start date for the meds, that's a different story!)
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 02:05 PM
    Ok, tried the back carry. Will probably use that when going outside to work some. Started a low grade fever last night (between 100-100.9), not sure why. Gave some Tylenol last night and again this morning and then afternoon when he was really fussy and felt hot to me. Not sure what is going on other than being hot and a bit fussy and napping just a little more than normal he isn't showing any new symptoms. He does do some ear pulling but he has always done that when tired. He was ear pulling more than normal a few days ago but not much yesterday or today so not sure if the ear pulling is related to it at all or not. If he isn't all better by tomorrow morning I'll call the Ped office.
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 01:57 PM
    Once you get the TT dealt with, since it is happening so late, you may also need some physical therapy for baby since with tongue immobility muscles will need re-training how to work in order for his latch to improve and him be able to breastfeed without hurting you. If you can get the appointment to fix the TT moved up, DO IT. Call and ask if they get any cancelations that might let you get in sooner. My LO got his TT and LT cut when he was 8 weeks and we still needed 6 weeks of work with a speech therapist before he was able to transfer milk well. (Of course I had issues with low supply instead of over supply and instead of my nipples getting raw and cracked he just tended to clamp down on me causing bruising and inflamation. I didn't respond well enough to the pump to have managed to EP) The bottom link in my signature has some links in it that might be helpful to you. I agree with PP that babie's poop problems could be because of overfeeding via bottles. If that isn't the case, then look to allergies, milk is the first thing they usually recommend mom try eliminating.
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 01:42 PM
    I expect that if you Don't pump/express for 3 1/2 to 5 days, it will really hurt your milk production and if baby isn't ready to wean it could be kinda hard on you to deal with if you are conflicted about weaning at this point. In any case, take a pump just in case if you do become uncomfortable you don't want it to turn into illness. If you don't want to push weaning abruptly at this point you should probably pump at least once or twice a day, like either in the morning or before bed.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 01:37 PM
    Hi and welcome! So, I think you have very abundant production and also, Your baby is eating way to much perhaps? 4 ounces every 2 hours around the clock is 48 ounces a day- 25-30 total ounces a day is more typical. If baby is getting more than 30 ounces a day I would suggest the first thing to do is reduce the total baby is fed. Some babies do eat more than that and it is fine, but it sounds like your baby is indicating he is getting too much. Overfeeding with bottles is almost IMPOSSIBLE to avoid if bottles are given in a traditional manner! The feeding frequency is not the problem so much as the large amount (4 ounces- that is a alot) each time. I suggest make sure you are using paced feeding technique and reduce each feeding by an ounce or two at least! That will take care of the overeating. I suggest INCREASE the frequency of your pumping to at least 6 to 8 times a day, but don't pump so much each time! At what point do you feel comfortable....do you have to pump 10 ounces to feel softened and comfortable, or are you pumping that much because someone told you to pump until you are "empty?" Pumping until you are "empty" is a milk production INCREASING technique. You don't need that as you clearly have tremendous production. Especially since you are pumping exclusively for now, and may want to stockpile some milk for the future when your milk production may not be like this, it is fine to have a little overproduction. But pumping 50 ounces or more a...
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  • @llli*flutey16's Avatar
    Today, 01:19 PM
    I think it was ovulation since my supply is back to normal! Thanks for the advice everyone
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Today, 01:10 PM
    So cool that you are pursuing surrogacy! It's something I've considered for myself, but after we're sure we're done having children of our own. Question-- will you only be eligible to be matched with a family at Feb 2015, or are you already matched with the family and that is when they want to start?
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  • @llli*jhoff's Avatar
    Today, 12:04 PM
    I am exclusively pumping for my son- he is almost 7 weeks old. He has trouble extending his tongue past his gums while nursing due to a tongue tie (which is getting fixed in 3 weeks so we can try breastfeeding again). We tried breastfeeding for 4 days and he would demand to nurse every 15 minutes or so and he literally gnawed the skin off of my nipples. It took 3 weeks for them to heal and I used pumping to keep feeding him and to help with the engorgement. I am currently pumping about 10+ oz a session roughly every 4-5 hours. If I pump more then my supply easily goes to 12+ oz a session. My son drinks around 4 oz every hour or 2 hours, depending on his mood. He has gone from 7 lbs 5 oz to almost 12 lbs in 6 weeks. We always have issues with gas after feedings and he gets explosive orange - ish to yellow - ish poops that are kind of slimy looking (they also have specks of what I presume is the milk fat in them). When he's not blowing out his size 2 diaper 2-3 times a day, he has totally watery yellowish poop that is sometimes streaked with a little bit of watery dark green. The constant poop leaking out means he has a persistent diaper rash that started from around 3 weeks. He also pulls away from the bottle and cries, arches his back, and constantly dribbles milk. Recently he's started to have bubbling drool on his lips. I've kept the diaper rash under control with cream and constant changing, but the redness won't go away. I'm also currently being treated for thrush...
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  • @llli*chandy.ferren's Avatar
    Today, 11:40 AM
    Hi Everyone I am trying to wean my daughter by her first Birthday if possible She is 8 months at the moment and I just started her on solids. I am trying to become a Gestational Surrogate and was told I needed to have her weaned before I start the medsbbecause they could harm her. She is still going to be getting breast milk from amazing Doners and from the bottle I hope to keep her on breast milk as long as possible just can't ebf her after Feb any help would be amazing!!!
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