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  • @llli*bettyb's Avatar
    Today, 02:38 AM
    Thank you so much for your reply, what great advice. A lot of what you are saying I have thought myself but it is nice to have someone else repeat it back to you and just to know someone else gets where I am coming from. I actually downloaded a copy of that book so will buy it now on your recommendation. I am not due for another few months so I do have time. As for support, we have very little to be honest. My husband will hopefully be off for the first 3 weeks. He is a massive support and totally on board with breastfeeding. That was another thing that really knocked my confidence last time, my extended family didn't support me when breastfeeding. Mainly I know because they don't understand it. It was like we were just being silly new parents trying to breastfeed so much so when our son wasn't putting on weight I had my MIL tell me to give him a bottle and her sister ringing me telling me how MIL was worried sick that he wasn't putting on weight and would we just give a bottle. We were really made feel like we were starving him! Of course in the height of everything with all these different opinions you don't know what to think, looking back (and my husband totally agrees and is so cross over it) it was unacceptable and we should have said something. But look that is something I have to get over too. I don't know could I ever change their opinions anyway so I think I just have to learn to ignore these comments. I do think I will be much more confident this...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:57 PM
    Hi pinkmomof2. Yes it is certainly usually possible to get a baby back to the breast after bottle feeding. Of course you will need to get baby to latch better so you are not in pain or injured, that can take practice for both you and baby, and there are many positioning and latch techniques that help. It sounds like you have lots of breastfeeding support where you are so take advantage! Keep going to the LLL meetings and talking to Leaders on the phone. If you can see lactation consultants again, do that as well. Sometimes it takes time to get things back on track. Keep getting help and support! Actually, this very well could be at least part of the problem. If you are pumping 40-50 ounces of milk a day, that is almost enough for twins. This is called overproduction or OP for short. OP often leads to a secondary problem called fast or forceful letdown (FFLD for short) Many times OP causes no problems but other times it certainly can. For mom it makes her more likely to get plugs and/or mastitis. For baby, the problem is from the FFLD. All that milk coming all at once can basically panic baby, causing them to refuse to nurse. Also if baby DOES latch, the FFLD potentially causes baby to slip "down" the nipple (causing a shallow latch) and also causes baby to clamp down to try to stem the flow. The result could be latch pain and injured nipples.
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  • @llli*pinkmomof2's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:16 PM
    I really want to breastfeed again. I had to give up from the awful pain of mastitis over and over, cracked bleeding nipples that became a scab and chunks falling off. So painful I thought I would pass out. Horrible anxiety attacks and panic when I had to feed. So I ended up exclusively pumping and feeding baby the bottle. I pump about 40-50oz of milk a day. I tried latching baby on tonight (6 weeks tomorrow) and she screamed and pushed me away. I exclusively breastfed her till she was 3 weeks. I saw lac consultants and had her check for ties etc. Went to lll meeting, breastfeeding support to try to get less painful latch. Now I am healed and I would like to try breastfeeding again. Is it possible? She roots for nipple but once she latches she sucks it like a bottle then screams and spits it out while clawing at me. Milk is going everywhere so that's not the problem. Help!?? Or should I give up on the boob.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:03 PM
    Hi. So sorry you are having this concern. I will try to offer some suggestions, but first I have some questions, hope that is ok. Aside the weight gain, how are other growth parameters? Were all weight checks on the same scale? this almost never happens, but if you could note when it was a different scale that would help. Were the scales always digital infant scales? Any reason to convert the numbers (from grams to ounces, for example.) Was the person doing the weight checks always focused and careful? Baby only in dry diaper or naked? That sounds normal, but do you have a lowest known weight? In other words, do we have any idea how much baby lost after being born? So if these checks were accurate, baby gained 18 ounces in 21 days. Am I right? That seems like normal gain. What is the pediatrician expecting gain to be?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:42 PM
    The nice thing about the 8th edition of the WAB is it is set up so you can start wherever you are. If baby is still having trouble with latch, you can start with chapter 4: Latching and attaching. You can skip chapter 5 but even if baby is over 2 weeks read chapter 6 because it has so much valuable info about normal newborn behavior. Then Chapter 7 is for 2-6 weeks where I guess you are at this point? You can also use the index to find info on whatever you are concerned about. For example tongue tie is discussed in detail on pages 428-430. Chapters 17 and 18 are basically about how to problem solve when there are issues. There is also a good chapter on sleep, but one of the authors realized this was a subject that needed much more attention so she co-wrote another book called Sweet Sleep and I also highly recommend that book as well. I am very glad you have an LC you are confident in. That is great and it sounds like they identified the tt early and treated it and that is fantastic. Sometimes when LCs are also doctors (and even sometimes when they are not) they are unable to spend the time needed with mom and baby because try as we might, a baby is not always going to nurse when expected to and it can take time- sometimes a great deal of time- to troubleshoot a breastfeeding problem. There is nothing inherently better about an LC who is a doctor or a nurse because it is an entirely different skill set. In my opinion what is most important is that the LC has...
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  • @llli*hannah.seed's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:27 PM
    This is my fifth baby, and all have been on the lower end of the weight spectrum. My pediatricion has told me to supplement with formula for all of them. I listened to him the first time, and that made the situation go from what was probably fine to bad to worse, and he ended up being exclusively formula fed. With my twins and my last baby i didnt listen to him and just kept doing my best exclusively breastfeeding, but they all remained at the lowest number acceptable. (they are all miraculously fine btw) So at birth my newest baby weighed 5 lb 7 oz. He was exactly at his birth weight at 10 days. Three weeks after his 10 day checkup he weighed 6 lb 9 oz. It took him a full week to learn how to latch (two weeks early, knot in cord and wrapped around neck, weak for first week) and he still doesnt SEEM like he nurses that well. He has good output (5-6 wet, 1-2 poo) and is relatively happy besides being impossible to keep sleeping due to horrid reflux/vomiting. My ped isnt happy with his growth (as usual) but i dont know whether his concerns are valid or if my baby is fine though at the lower end of the weight chart. I nurse him whenever he wants... sometimes every hour (mornings and evenings) and sometimes he goes 3-4 (warm sleepy afternoons and nights). Some days i think he is feeding so good and other days im wondering if hes forgotten he needs milk to survive?? Can somebody just let me know if his weight is okay and if im doing okay breastfeeding (to you know, calm...
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  • @llli*erc45's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:59 PM
    Sorry for the confusion, baby did NOT nurse before formula, but was given breastmilk via bottle. So the green poops were with bottled breastmilk. The ONLY actual nursing we have done has been maybe 2-3x before this recent doctor visit (last Monday) and 2-3x this week (2-3 short nursing sessions that were more for comfort it seemed as they were b/w feedings and she seemed sleepy I worked with an IBCLC who is also a neonatologist, she is who performed the release and we saw her one other time to evaluate latch, but baby wasn't hungry so it wasn't a productive visit. I will definitely make an appt with her this week to re-eval latch and do weight check. Regarding the doctor, I guess my brain was just in overdrive and I was not convinced it was nothing, but am glad to hear reassurance that this just may be more normal than my gut is telling me. I am going to try a full nursing session later tonight and see how it goes. I really appreciate all of the other advice, I found that all very helpful and reassuring. I actually had started The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding, but it was at the very beginning and since baby wouldn't latch (she literally could not latch at ALL before the tongue tie release) I think I'd lost hope and stopped reading.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:54 PM
    Ok, so did baby ever "just nurse?" I am sorry I am rather confused. I assumed that before the formula, baby was breastfed - nursing- and gaining fine but that was when you saw the green poops? Were the green poops rather while baby was being bottle fed your milk? Before the tongue tie treatment? After? If baby has never nursed exclusively, then it may be that baby cannot transfer milk normally, although it is unlikely. I would strongly suggest see an IBCLC and do some before and after nursing session weight checks. If your baby is capable of transferring 2 ounces or more in one nursing session, they can transfer milk normally. But you need to do more than one check because it is normal for baby to take less sometimes too. Here is info about what to expect at an appt with an IBCLC: http://cwgenna.com/lconsult.html Aside the question of whether baby can nurse normally or not, I think what may be happening is you are thinking entirely normal newborn behavior indicates something is wrong, and that is very common for new moms- and even many of us "old moms" when something out of our experience happens. However what surprised me was that the pediatrician's reassurance did not reassure you...I am certainly not someone who thinks doctors know everything, and I believe in mom's intuition...but what you are reporting as far as the poops and the behavior does not sound unusual to me in the least. I would suggest, as long as doctor says it is ok, and you want to, start...
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  • @llli*erc45's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:37 PM
    This is my first my first child so I definitely think a lot of my anxiety about what is normal is due to not having any experience. Her sleep actually has improved (no idea if due to change in diet or not), but there have been nights where she cries until 4,5, 6 a.m. For the past week or so she has slept 4-5 hour stretches. There are times where she seems very difficult to calm down and occasionally she wakes from deep sleep crying a very high pitched cry like she is in pain. My doctor said that usually mucous is in indicator or dairy intolerance (not an allergy), but she is growing well so he said i could try to cut dairy from my diet if I wanted to try that, but I already feel so stressed that I don't know if adding that stress would help or hurt (hence me wanting to do a trial of formula before I change my diet drastically). She had a tongue tie diagnosed at 2 weeks and her latch has only just improved since the release, but that has been a major source of anxiety for me. I've done only a few occasional nursing sessions during this trial phase this past week when nothing else would calm her where it seems like it is more for comfort for her than feeding so I have no idea how much milk she transfers. I guess my first time stressed out mommy brain desperately wants to fix her. I do have lots of friends with babies and I DO think she is more fussy than any of their babies, and I guess I am trying to connect the green mucous poops to her unusual fussiness. I guess...
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  • @llli*jollycat's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:09 PM
    Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you!
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:15 AM
    Hi erc45, welcome to the forum. You say your baby seems particularly fussy- are you comparing her to other children you have had? Were they breast or formula fed? Can you explain a little more what you mean? In my experience newborn babies are normally very fussy, and the baby who is not is the more unusual baby. Green is a normal poop color for many babies and "mucous" is, as far as I know, not proven to indicate allergy or any other issues at all. I am confused. Aside the poop look and newborn rash, was there some other problem- like slow gain? Or breastfeeding hurting you or not feeling right for you perhaps? What you are describing with the green "mucous" poops, baby acne, and fussy baby all sounds entirely normal to me and as long as baby was gaining ok and nursing comfortable for you, then I am not sure why you would think you had to give baby formula? Your baby's doctor told you baby was doing fine on breastmilk, and you are not finding there is any significant improvement with the switch to formula...right? So, I am not sure why you are not just tossing the formula and going back to nursing baby? It would be a lot easier than what you are doing now.
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  • @llli*erc45's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:55 AM
    So long story short, baby girl has consistent green mucous poops with breast milk. She also seems like a particularly fussy baby. Only other symptom is flesh colored bumps all around her temples and forehead (could just be sensitive skin or baby acne). 2 week checkup doc said "it doesn't seem to bother her, she's fine". Wasn't convinced so started Alimentum 1 week ago with occasional comfort nursing (maybe 1x every day for a few minutes). Her poops are now brown green but still SO slimy and shiny looking. I'm pumping to keep up my supply, but I'm so emotionally exhausted racking my brain on what to do. I really really want to BF, but feel like I should continue the formula to experiment. Does anyone have experience with dairy intolerance or mucous poops? I wonder at what point I should just stop pumping and accept that she might need formula. Or should I resume BF maybe this week and see if her fussiness and poops change?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:48 AM
    Hi bettyb, many moms who were not able to breastfeed as long as they liked (or at all) with one baby find things go completely ok with the next. So it is possible all will be fine with this baby as far as breastfeeding goes. Since your oldest child was tongue tied, that alone may have accounted for the slow gain. There is evidence that tongue tie can run in families. If you find new baby is not gaining well, do you have a path to have tongue tie diagnosed and treated where you are? When tongue tie is the issue, early treatment makes all the difference. But tongue tie may not have been the issue, or only part of it. If you have any breastfeeding difficulties in the early days, do you know if there is a professional IBCLC you can see? Volunteer LLL Groups or other breastfeeding support near you? My first suggestion is to build your support network NOW rather than scrambling for help in those crazy early days with a newborn. If you find your baby truly needs supplementing, this can be done in a way that is less negatively impactful on breastfeeding. We can provide info here in that event. There are things you can do to get breastfeeding off to a great start. You do not say when baby is due, but if you have time, my best suggestion is the get the book The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding (8th edition) and read the first 6 chapters (they are not long) or read as much as you can. Bring it too the hospital too (assuming this will be a hospital birth.)
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