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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 08:20 PM
    Simply based on the numbers you have posted, I'm pretty shocked that the doctor thought your baby needed to be supplemented, for two reasons. First, if you plot your baby's growth on this chart for breastfed babies, it seems 100% normal. There is a dip in percentile at 2 months, but when that happens it is generally entirely normal. Babies do not always stay on the same place on the charts. They wobble around, sometimes going above the curve, sometimes dropping below. If you go by the numbers alone, they do not present a picture of a baby who needs to be supplemented. The second reason I am surprised by the request that you begin to supplement the baby is that the dip in percentile was quite minor. That suggests that if there was a problem that needed to be fixed, you had some time to figure out what that was. You could have spent that time trying out approaches like pumping and supplementing baby with your own milk, and seeing if that led to a change in rate of weight gain. Maybe you did, I don't know! Please don't take this as a criticism of you- it is much more of a concern that you were not given sound medical advice. Of course, everything you were told might be spot-on- I haven't seen your baby and am just going off what you report! I do take you seriously when you say your baby looked skinny at 2 months. And of course when you are talking about a new baby, weight estimates aren't enough to make an informed decision about weight, because a...
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 08:01 PM
    Cool or warm compresses, whichever feels better Avoid bras, especially under wires (unless wearing a bra actually improves comfort) Showers, baths, warm soaks of affected area Massage, using you hand or something that vibrates, e.g. the handle of an electric toothbrush, a personal massage toy Vary your nursing position to maximize drainage of all areas of the breast Above all, stay alert for symptoms of mastitis: fever, chills, aches and pains, malaise, red streaks/patches on the skin of the breast, increasing pain. If you experience those, call your doctor. Good luck, I hope this clears soon!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 07:52 PM
    Usually the way to get a stash started is to choose a single time of day and pump routinely at that time. After a few days to a week, you assess. If you are on track with getting the milk you need, you just keep on doing what you're doing. If not, you start adding in pump sessions until you are getting what you need. Most moms find that they have the most extra milk first thing in the morning. So a common time to start adding in the single pump session is right after baby nurses after waking up for the day. But you can add in sessions any time that is convenient for you. If you have found that emptying both breasts resulted in an unhappy baby, I would start by pumoing just one breast at a time. As you get more familiar with pumping and your baby's patterns start to become more predictable, you should be able to eventually pump both breasts at a time. But there's no harm in starting with one! What sort of job do you have? I am a little concerned about your feeling that you will be able to pump just. 1-2 times per day, considering that you are working 11 hours a day, 5 days a week. Infrequent pumping is a concern for 2 reasons. First, it means that you run a much greater risk of becoming uncomfortably full or engorged, and/or winding up with nasty things like plugged ducts and mastitis. Second, infrequent milk removal functions as a cue to the body to reduce supply.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 07:42 PM
    Welcome to the forum! My guess is that the problem is just that your baby is sleeping like a baby- that is, terribly! But let's go over the fundamentals and make sure we're not missing something. So: - How is nursing going? Is it comfortable for you? - Where does baby sleep? Have you tried swaddling him or giving him a pacifier at night?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 07:32 PM
    My mom once told me that she was really worried about sleep when she was pregnant with my sister, because my 2 year-old brother was still gettinv into bed with her every night. A week before my sister was born, my brother suddenly started sleeping through the night and never looked back! I know that's anecdote and not data, but I still hope it makes you feel less apprehensive about the future!
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  • @llli*novila's Avatar
    Today, 07:09 PM
    Well I just replied and the page blanked, so let me try to recover the numbers. Birth - 6, 15 Day after - 6, 11 2 days later - 6, 9 2 week appt - 8 (doing great, doc said) 1 month appt - 9 2 month appt - 10 >>>started supplementing after this appt (25th percentile) 3 month appt - 12 4 month appt - 13
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  • @llli*canadianemily's Avatar
    Today, 06:33 PM
    Thanks for your response. I guess it's best to just see how it goes, since I have no clue when or if I'll have another baby. But not trying out of fear is a bit silly, I guess. I chickened out this month, but hope to TTC next month. I'll gradually start the process of getting my son into his own room, then staying with him there as needed, and try to slowly transition to night weaning as he can understand more. Hopefully that plan will work.
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  • @llli*jovadee's Avatar
    Today, 06:06 PM
    Usually I am real good about feeding on both sides. Well, last night being super tired I only fed my son on the left and woke up super engorged on the right breast. I've been switching sides all day and expressed some on the right which helped with the fullness but have breast pain on the underside of my right breast. Any suggestions to help relieve??
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  • @llli*bakyjjc's Avatar
    Today, 05:12 PM
    Thank you for sharing! Helps to know I'm not the only one!
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  • @llli*rogi2430's Avatar
    Today, 05:06 PM
    Thanks for the response! I just finished my second week back at work. Supply seems to be decent as I'm pumping enough for what I'm leaving in bottles. I do think I leave a little more then needed and it does get used. But I'd rather have everyone be comfortable. And we nurse on demand when I'm home. It's weird the first week back seemed easier than the second week. I do miss nursing and am not a huge fan of pumping but it all seems to be working out. Glad things worked out for you too! I'm proud of both of us!
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  • @llli*carlitomom's Avatar
    Today, 03:59 PM
    Hoping for some guidance for my almost 3 mo old baby boy who is EBF. He currently breastfeeds every hour during the day and then every 2 hours at night. He occasionally has had a week here and there where he has given me a 3-4 hour chunk during the night, but I can't seem to find a pattern on why it happens those rare days and not others. He is very well-nourished, currently about 13.5 lbs. He is also very active, loves to kick and move around, has already rolled over. Was hoping to get him to sleep some more during the night so I can stop being such a zombie during the day. He takes about 3 naps during the day (1.5 hrs after waking for about 30-40 min; 1.5 hrs after that 30-40 min; and 1.5 hrs after that for up to an hour) He also doesn't accept bottles :cry which I'm working on. I let him try on the bottle daily and he plays with the nipple but doesn't seem sure how to suck on it. I just switched to medium flow nipples which helps he get a little milk out but he doesn't actually latch on the bottle..? Just starting to go crazy from lack of sleep and constant feeding...
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  • @llli*steveion321's Avatar
    Today, 02:54 PM
    I think you did avoid in start to nurse her. but anyhow its not bad I think. she feels comfort at that time.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 02:50 PM
    So baby is exclusively breastfed, basically? Only a couple bottles? IN that case I would agree it is unlikely this has anything to do with bottles. How is baby's weight gain? Poops? How many times in 24 hours does baby nurse (about)? Does baby usually take one side at a time, both, or switch off? Are you usually or mostly able to bring baby to the breast when baby is calm? Or is baby going from 0-60 so fast baby is upset before you can get baby to the breast? This can cause more issues with latch. How are you feeling? Do you ever feel full between feedings, and if you do, how full? Do you feel any 'softer' after baby has nursed? Is nursing comfortable for you? Who gave/sold you the nipple shield? Did they also suggest latch ideas for you? If baby is capable of latching and nursing without a shield, I would suggest try to avoid using it. Once in a while is fine, I am not saying go cold turkey if you are finding it helpful. But shields cause numerous issues and it is best to use them only if truly needed. I am sure we can offer latch and positioning ideas that may help.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 02:01 PM
    Hi, I have experience with a newborn and a nursing/bedsharing toddler. My oldest was a couple months shy of turning 3 when his brother was born. I had tried nightweaning when my older son was 18 months, and it was torture and never really took anyway. So by the time I conceived, we were was back to nursing overnight again. I have very hard pregnancies with high level of exhaustion and nausea/vomiting the whole way though. So I found having a child who I could lay down with and nap with every day and comfort to sleep easily overnight meant more sleep for me and that was awesome. After baby was born, of course baby woke far more frequently than my older son, and at first nursing both at night did not much matter in terms of lack of sleep- newborn period, very little uninterrupted sleep anyway. It took about 6 months for the double duty night waking to get to the point I wanted to do something about it. By then my older son was almost 3 and a half and it was a pretty simple and easy process to move him into his own room and bed, and once that occurred, night weaning happened naturally.
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  • @llli*djs.mom's Avatar
    Today, 01:13 PM
    No I am speaking about after the year point. I think you need to stretch out your freezer stash and supplement as needed for the next 8 weeks.
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  • @llli*canadianemily's Avatar
    Today, 10:57 AM
    After contemplating it for a couple days, I think I've decided to try to night wean, but I hate the thought of that process. I want him to be night weaned, but I don't want to night wean him, haha. Is it possible to night wean him on my own while continuing to bed share? He's completely fine if I limit his nursings during the day, but I've tried some of the same tactics at night, and it just doesn't work, because he can't sleep. I'll start reading the weaning section of The Womanly Art and see if I find anything there. But I don't see how this will happen without lots of crying. Maybe it's better to get pregnant first and hope the lack of milk is an incentive? But I really think he nurses mostly for comfort.
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  • @llli*bakyjjc's Avatar
    Today, 08:14 AM
    Thank you, I will take a look at the article. I really appreciate your feedback!
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  • @llli*podutti's Avatar
    Today, 07:37 AM
    is that 3-5 times, plus the 3 bottles? Or does a 10 month old only need to to nurse 3-5 times in a 24 hour period total?
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  • @llli*cl-cot's Avatar
    Today, 06:49 AM
    My 3 week old son is kind of a lazy nurser. And not always. Sometimes he nurses just fine. We use a nipple shield sometimes due to latching issues in the beginning, and now mostly if he gets frustrated and I get frustrated and it's just easier. But my problem is that he doesn't seem to want to suck once he's on. Again, he doesn't always do this. But he'll practically attack like he's starving, then sucks once or twice to get a good hold, then stops. Then he gets mad when nothing happens... Because he won't suck. I don't know what to do about it. He has had a bottle... Twice ever. But he was doing this before bed ever had a bottle. Any ideas? we just spent two hours tonight trying to nurse... Now he is done, but I don't feel like he ate much at all. Almost feel like he just got fed up and is done too. i just don't know what to do.
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  • @llli*kelly.tan's Avatar
    Today, 06:17 AM
    Hi, my baby is now 4 wks old and I'll return to work at week 16. I would like to build up a frozen stash before returning to work as I expect to be able to pump only 1 or 2 times while at work (leaving house at abt 8am and returning only at 7pm 5 times a wk). My baby's feeding pattern is quite erratic sometimes feeding every 1 to 1.5 hrs or sometimes every 2.5 hrs. She normally feeds only on 1 breast only but at times need both breasts to be satisfied. How should I pump as I'm worried that she'll scream at the next feeding if I empty both breasts (tried that once and she was furious at not getting milk I didn't feel letdown during that feed). She is usually very impatient and needs to feed once she wakes else she screams the house down. How long should I pumps at each session if her normal feeding is about 10min? Any advice is appreciated.
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  • @llli*ramatae's Avatar
    Today, 01:49 AM
    Hello, Just wanted to share that I am in the same position, and my baby is now 4.5 months (20 weeks old). His behavior (only nursing while asleep or very ready to sleep, fussy at breast when awake, refusing bottles, etc) began when he was around 10 weeks old. I am not a breastfeeding expert. However, I'm a mom dealing with similar issues, trying to work it all out. I thought you might want to follow our continuing story: http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?126088-Slow-no-weight-gain-at-4-5-months
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  • @llli*ramatae's Avatar
    Today, 01:47 AM
    Hello, Just wanted to share that I am in the same position, and my baby is now 4.5 months (20 weeks old). His behavior (only nursing while asleep or very ready to sleep, fussy at breast when awake, refusing bottles, etc) began when he was around 10 weeks old. I am not a breastfeeding expert. However, I'm a mom dealing with similar issues, trying to work it all out. I thought you might want to follow our continuing story: http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?126088-Slow-no-weight-gain-at-4-5-months
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  • @llli*ramatae's Avatar
    Today, 01:21 AM
    Update: The new pediatrician seems confident that baby has silent reflux; something I suspected early on but our first pediatrician dismissed as colic. He has now been prescribed Zantac, and if this doesn't work, additional testing will be done to investigate for any underlying health concerns. The doctor was not well-versed in breastfeeding support and did not know whether reflux would cause a baby to clamp/pinch the nipple. Does anybody have experience with this? My gut tells me yes, because the baby would try to limit his intake of milk. I'd like to think that his latch will also be improved if indeed it is reflux. I will post another update as we try the meds; it appears there are several mommas right now who are dealing with babies who only eat while asleep and very little at a time (as mine does). Perhaps this record will be useful to others in the future.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:16 PM
    Well this is possible of course. Baby may not rouse enough to nurse, and baby may wake up and not fall back asleep. But it is also quite possible baby will wake enough to nurse and go right back to sleep. For my own comfort, I have had to wake babies to nurse at night and the latter is my most common experience. But, I also bedshared with all babies, and that may make a difference in how rapidly baby would tend to settle again. If baby is gaining well and nursing frequently the rest of the day, I am not saying it is imperative to wake baby to nurse. It is just one practical option that is overlooked because parents are so strongly cautioned about never waking up a sleeping babyThat can certainly be a problem. But natural sleep? Usually not going to cause any issues and nice when you can get it, and you can deal with any discomfort you experience by hand expressing or pumping instead as needed. Shorter sleep stretches are normal. That does not mean baby is not in discomfort, that I cannot say for sure. Babies usually feel some digestive discomfort every day, but that is also normal in most cases.
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  • @llli*n.lea's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:38 PM
    I've been experimenting with giving him a feed before I head to bed (while he's still sleeping) but more often than not he stays completely unconscious through the whole pick up, put to breast, put back down experience, without even sort of taking any food. I think I've managed to catch him at the right part of his sleep cycle once, where he actually took the breast and fed a bit. I've been wary of trying to actively wake him up to get him to feed the other times I've tried. I figure that if picking him up and putting him to the breast isn't enough to rouse him, anything else I try will either be equally ineffective or it will work TOO well, and I'll have an awake unhappy baby on my hands. Thanks for the heads up on that, I'll worry less if he becomes more wakeful in the future. I can just see my future self without this knowledge frantically googling when I should be sleeping:). So the shorter stretches after the initial long stretch are more normal and expected, not anything to do with him being in discomfort? That's actually nice to know, thanks.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:20 PM
    There is another current thread where mom is dealing with similar issue. You might look at some of the questions I have asked on that thread and see if anything seems relevant. http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?126097-Baby-will-only-nurse-while-sleeping This issue of baby only nursing when asleep is something that has come up several times on these forums and I have heard of it at LLL meetings once in a while. But away from the forums I have never found much of anything about it in breastfeeding literature. It's frustrating to me, I cannot imagine how frustrating it must be for you. I would suggest as a first step, go back to the beginning and think about what if anything changed in the life or habits of yourself, baby and family before this started happening. I am sure you have already done this, I would just suggest, do it again. I have heard of things as minor as mom changing her deodorant causing a baby to refuse to nurse.
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