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  • @llli*babygirlsmommy's Avatar
    Today, 12:11 AM
    hello everyone. first of all allow me to apologize for the lack of capital letters. i am writing from my phone and for some reason i cannot create a capital letter! :shrug anyway, i am new here and i suppose i will begin with some background information. my daughter will be 3 months old this week. i breastfed her, with a great deal of difficulty, for a little over 2 weeks. i was overwhelmed and emotional, she would scream most of the time when i tried to get her to latch, and i was sleep deprived. i made the decision to switch to formula because i could not emotionally handle the stress of breastfeeding any longer. fast forward 9 weeks to now and i greatly regret that decision. i miss breastfeeding as i always was determined to breastfeed for at least 6 months. my daughter also seems to be having a lot of trouble with formula...gas, reflux, etc. i desperately want to breastfeed my daughter again. ideally i would like to build up my supply enough that she is only getting breastmilk either through breastfeeding or pumped milk once i return to work. i began this journey 5 days ago and i have 2 months before i have to go back to work. i have started pumping and have managed to do 8 times 2 of the days and between 5 and 6 the other 3 days because we had visitors. i plan to pump every 2 to 3 hours everyday from here on out. i have also started putting my daughter to the breast and she will latch on for about 2 minutes at a time though i am almost positive she is not...
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  • @llli*lllmeg's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:41 PM
    Hi, I am sorry. Somehow I missed your above post. I hope you are still here! It's been a week since you posted-are things any better now? No. The intensity of letdown should surely get less intense over time. You CAN still nurse on demand, when you are with baby. And baby can be fed on demand while getting bottles, in fact this is important once you are back at work. (for more info on bottle feeding the breastfed baby see: http://www.llli.org/docs/0000000000000001WAB/WAB_Tear_sheet_Toolkit/22_bfabreastfedbaby.pdf ) If you have to pump on a schedule when at work, you can hand express between pump sessions if needed. But in any case, your overproduction may resolve enough that that is not needed before you go back to work.
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  • @llli*fireangel's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:17 PM
    I've had a crazy last two weeks and a Spina Bifida Occulta scare with my daughter so that has been occupying my attention. The latest news on our breastfeeding situation is that I have a digital scale now. DD is getting maybe 3-5oz per day. This is after using the SNS, hand expressing religiously, nursing 10 times a day, and doing 2 soothing nursing sessions for about 1 hour each. The supply doesn't seem to be increasing. She has good transfer now too and only takes her a couple minutes to drain the breast. I have tried tons of herbs. So, my LC is recommending to see an endocrinologist. But, my insurance still isn't straightened out. It's taking forever, very frustrating. I'm not even sure if any treatment would work at this point since my supply has never been more than 8oz per day and I am now past the 6 week mark. Feeling pretty bummed. I wish I had seen one 4 weeks ago. So many mistakes were made; not getting her tongue tie fixed, using a bottle, not seeing an endocrinologist. I don't think I have a tyroid problem though. So no idea on this one.
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  • @llli*smcc626's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:35 PM
    Thank you! I've certainly been considering picking up some Monistat or gentian violet and using it just to see what happens. Would it do any harm to do this if it's not thrush?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:30 PM
    That's what my oldest did when she was outgrowing her nap! I assumed all kids needed to nap until around age 5, because that's how long I napped. Turns out my oldest outgrew the nap at around age 2.5.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:25 PM
    Welcome to the forum! When I hear that a mom has burning/stinging pain in between feedings, I immediately think thrush or vasospasm. It sounds like you've ruled out both, so I am left with either bacterial infection (i.e. subclinical mastitis) or a really cryptic case of thrush. Since you had mastitis once, I'm kind of wondering if perhaps you didn't beat the bacteria all the way back. I'm kind of curious to know what would happen if you treated this as thrush...
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  • @llli*smcc626's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:08 PM
    My newborn is one month old and I'm continuing to have issues with nipple/breast pain. The facts: -baby is gaining weight fine -I had mastitis at 5 days pp that seemed to resolve itself quickly w/antibiotics -baby seems to enjoy breastfeeding (latches right away, stays on unless let down is too strong, seems satisfied afterwards) -other than the pain, no signs of thrush in myself or baby -signs of a good latch: fish lips, as much aereola in his mouth as will fit -sign of a bad latch: nipple is occasionally misshapen (crease or lipstick) after There is an initial sting during latching but otherwise breastfeeding itself isn't terribly uncomfortable - the pain comes after. Immediately after feeding, my nipples just feel very sensitive. Five to thirty minutes after however, they start to burn/sting/throb. This will last pretty much the entire time until the next feed. My nipples have NO cracks or bleeding; they look fine. There is also no color change after feeding (unless there is a crease, in which case the crease is white and changes back to pink within minutes of unlatching). My breasts as a whole are tender as well, much like during PMS.
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  • @llli*nathansmum's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:43 PM
    I've gone through this with my 2 year old and have learned that it is a clear sign that he is just not tired yet. So now I don't even bother trying to get him to sleep until he is obviously tired. If he is asking to nurse and doesn't seem tired I will ask him if he is ready to go to sleep. If he says yes I find that he will go to sleep easily, if he says no, then I just suggest a game to play or snack instead. It means later naps and later bedtime. But he now falls asleep in 20 minutes or less and I am no longer frustrated.
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  • @llli*filmmommy's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:29 PM
    I have taken my LO for craniosacral therapy at a chiropractor's office, where he also receives chiropractic adjustment. I also took him to a chiropractor who specializes in nursing, and she also incorporates craniosacral therapy. I think it's worth a try, but make sure you ask a lot of questions. Our therapist made it sound like it would take months for the mild adjustments to help. But the second chiropractor I saw made it sound like she "resolved" most of the issues. He did nurse a bit better since seeing her, but not drastically. We did not have tongue tie, but baby does not like to have a lot of breast in his mouth, especially on one side. He also doesn't like to open his mouth wide on the one side, and immediately starts turning his head and chomping before I can even get him latched. Then he pulls off to a shallow latch. Both the therapist and the second chiropractor mentioned the same pallet issues, and both chiropractors mentioned some neck tightness. Is your therapist with a chiropractor? Does your insurance cover either? My chiropractic appointments are covered, and they include craniosacral as part of the whole treatment. I also have to take my pillow everywhere. I did with my daughter, too, until she was older. We are not a great nursing family -- I could never nurse in carriers, never got lying down nursing (hope to when we resolve our current issues). I actually felt embarrassed around people who could nurse easily in all positions and in...
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  • @llli*lllmeg's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:52 PM
    Hi, motherhood can be really, really, REALLY hard sometimes, can't it? I could have written very much this same post about my 2 year old today! She finally settled down after nursing for an hour, and when I snuck away, she woke up 10 minutes later. Frustrating! When I am losing my patience, and to be honest I do lose my patience with my kids pretty often, I find these strategies work as long as I have the self control to remember them, which I often do not. (I think this is really important- if I have not been able to avoid a meltdown, after a meltdown, I apologize and take responsibility for my actions.) to try to avoid meltdowns, I might try any of the following- 1) I leave the room, if necessary, closing the door, until I can get a hold of myself. 2) I stop whatever we are doing and do something else. So, if I am trying to nurse a child down, and they are not going to sleep, I say 'ok, lets go outside/play a game/get a snack/read a book whatever. This is what I am doing right now, I am typing while she plays with a phone on my lap. If this leads to my daughter napping at a later time, or not napping at all, it can be a problem, but not a serious one, and far better than the alternative. 3) call a friend or my husband for a quick vent 4) Work on accepting that the things I want to get done either will not get done, not get done today, or figure out a way to do them while my child is awake.
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  • @llli*elledanurse's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:41 PM
    An upper frenulum tie, will also impede a good latch.
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  • @llli*lllmeg's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:25 PM
    (?) I am really sorry, I don't understand, I am missing how not being able to empty the breast results in baby needing the breast to be really full in order to nurse. I am sure your lactation consultants have discussed with you that "Emptying" the breast is not necessary for normal breastfeeding. It is necessary for a baby to be able to get enough milk overall, so, for nursing sessions to be effective and frequent. But not for baby to "empty" the breast, which is difficult to do as the breast is always making milk. When you say you have to be "really full" or baby has trouble drinking...what do you mean? By four months, many moms are not feeling very full as a regular thing... Are you waiting some length of time between nursing sessions in order to feel full? What happens if you try to latch baby when you do not feel full? Do you mean that at those times, baby has trouble latching, or sucking if the breast does not feel "full?" Or do you mean, your babies latch is so ineffective your baby cannot transfer milk unless it is almost dripping out? Or that if you are not very full, baby protests and stops nursing? Or something else? About how often does baby nurse? How many times in 24 hours? Is baby exclusively breastfed and gaining normally?
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  • @llli*canchola2183's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:52 PM
    Thank you for your answers I have been pumping at those times and it seems to be helping yesterday i didn't supplement at all. I have changed position to laying side by side and it seems to help he didn't tug at all yesterday. Thank you for help :)
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:41 PM
    I hear you there. As to the amount of water you are drinking, don't force water, drink to thirst, 200 oz seems excessive and it is possible to drink too much. Our speech therapist has me doing some gentle exercises to help desensitize the gag reflex. Basically try to get him to suck on your pinky, nail down to the tongue and try to touch the palate as far back as you can without gagging him. Of course do this very gently!!!! Try not to gag him but try to see if you can touch further back as you practice. Perhaps you can get a referral to a speech therapist (so far the speech therapy has been covered since the ped gave us a referral.) We have been doing a bunch of other exercises also since the TT correction that worked on tongue and jaw and lip strength and mobility and organization to help him be able to swallow better and be less likely to gag or choke. It is still hard to get a good wide latch but for us I think nursing is sometimes starting to hurt less and hopefully when I have more milk he will abuse me less (pulling on the nipple.) Since your LO is still having difficulty with bottles as well as breastfeeding, I expect some form of oral motor therapy is called for to make feeding better. After having months to learn how to use the tongue when tied, it can take a fair bit of work to Re-learn how to use a mobile tongue.
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  • @llli*jessicahrn's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:29 PM
    My issue is that he can never empty my breast so unless I'm really full he has trouble drinking. I'm taking fenugreek, mothers milk tea, 200oz of water a day, coconut water. Improvement with maintaining latch since surgery. I don't really mind taking the pillow everywhere I just feel like a recluse. When I get a correct latch it gags the baby. He only will nipple feed. I even tried expressed milk in a bottle and he just wanted the tip of the bottle. He has a high narrow palate and sensitive gag reflex. So I have to work very hard to maintain the latch. Just wondering if CST will help this because my husband and I went into debt with all this breastfeeding help.. Literally over $1,000 including surgery.
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  • @llli*skarrlette's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:54 AM
    I still breastfeed my 2.5 yr old almost 3 daughter. And I also co-sleep, for naps and for nighttime. I put her to sleep both times with the help of breastfeeding and for the most part I love it. I really cherish it. But lately she has become more like a toddler and she plays while I breastfeed and it takes sometimes an hr to over and hr to get her to settle down. That means I am breastfeeding her off an on during that period hoping she will drift off to sleep. And that can really wear on my nerves. I have things I would like to do. Most times it works and everything is fine. But some days like today I find myself having a meltdown, and it really upsets me to realize how I acted. I start yelling during something that is suppose to be quiet and relaxing, I take things out of her hands that she was playing with and throw them off the bed. Then I sometimes put my head in my hands and cry or just melt down slowly. She sees all this and it upsets her. And now I have the added worry of traumatizing her, and making breastfeeding not a pleasurable experience and all these emotions come up. Like losing the time I spend with her, not breastfeeding her anymore. And I just cry like right now typing this. I have so many emotions about it all. Breastfeeding is so close to my heart she is my only child and it might stay that way so I won't get to experience this again. I just feel bad for not keeping my composure when she tests my limits and she is not doing it...
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  • @llli*krystine's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:13 AM
    Thanks mommal and Meg! It's been a wild ride, for sure! Now for the fun stuff. I love toddler nursing. No worries about supply; they are such huge self-feeders of solids and that was such a huge component of the early stress. Nursing as I type, of course.
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:09 AM
    I'm feeling so impatient. I can't say that I've noticed that much improvement in my overall supply since the first acupuncture appointment but it is hard to tell with only a few days. I have experience a better flow, when I let down, we have good big lots of swallowing where as before he seemed to be drip fed at lots of feedings (taking a long time and barely perceptible swallowing.) Now before he would have lots of feedings where he was basically comfort nursing for a LONG time but was obviously getting milk, just slowly (swallowing imperceptible but weight before/after shows he did get milk.) Now I have more feedings where he will actively suck/swallow for a time and then fall to sleep/come off breast or be awake and active and only suck each side for a short time and then have no interest in latching back on again (even though when I check, milk still squirts out) but before/after weight shows he didn't take in all that much. I know I really need to be patient and wait till after the next acupuncture appointment before deciding what my next action is going to be but my very long patience is wearing thin.
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  • @llli*lllmeg's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:20 AM
    Is nursing still just as painful for you as prior to the surgery? Any improvement? Here is what little I know about cranialsacral. Cranialsacral is recommended for difficult latch issues by several IBCLCs I trust who would not suggest something they have not seen help. It has been used for latch issues for some time. From what moms have told me, many do find cranial sacral helpful with latch issues. But, the fact is, many do not as well. As I am sure you have figured out by now, what works in some cases may not work in another. Also, I am not sure but I think that multiple sessions may be needed? But you can discuss that with the practitioner, as well as cost. I have seen pricing for this therapy run the gamut for infants. Some areas have several practitioners, so if this one is too much perhaps you can shop around? I have never seen it done, but from what I understand from moms I have spoken to, it "looks like nothing." So do not expect the therapy to look like much to the untrained eye. This does not mean it is not doing anything. As far as nursing taking 30 minutes, that is not outside normal session duration even at 4 months. As far as needing your pillow, why not take your pillow with you? I understand this is not ideal, but this is what I did with my oldest and it worked fine. However, I do wonder if the pillow is perhaps inhibiting your ability to get baby into a position where latch might be more comfortable. Especially as baby grows, pillows can...
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:22 AM
    Sorry to hear you have had a hard road too. My LO didn't get his TT/LT fixed till 8 weeks and we didn't find a speech therapist to help with suck re-training till 3 months. How's your supply and his weight gain? Are you having to supplement? My supply was compromised by early supplementing and his suck issues not being addressed early enough. Now that I think he can latch better, my supply is often low enough that he fusses at the breast and pulls off or stretches back pulling my nipple. We have not tried Craniosacral therapy mainly because I don't know how to find a practitioner that is experienced working on infants. He does seem to favor one side so it seems this might help us but I worry about going to just anybody without being able to get a recommendation. I am going to extremes trying to increase my milk supply in hopes that with a better supply he won't fuss at the breast so much (he does sometimes get a good latch that doesn't hurt at least on my left side, unfortunately that side usually has the least amount of milk) at I'll be more successful at teaching him he gets more milk easier when he latches wider.
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  • @llli*jessicahrn's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:07 AM
    I have been EBF my now four month old with many struggles. My main one being an undiagnosed posterior tongue tie that was fixed almost two weeks ago. I've never really experienced nursing that wasn't painful and that makes me sad. It also always takes 30 mins to nurse and I can't nurse without my pillow ever.. Making it hard to leave the house still at 4 months. I go back to work next week part time. The dentist who lasered my babies TT said craniosacral therapy will help him. I have an appt tomorrow but I am not hopeful. His palate has become very high from the TT and he basically just nipple feeds (ouch) I am heartbroken I didn't have the experience I dreamed of and have shed many many tears. Please tell me the therapy will help. I don't know what else to do. I would LOVE to nurse until he weans but it's becoming more and more of a fantasy :( and he refuses a shield. (He initially used one) and I have seen six; yes six lactation consultants.
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