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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:13 PM
    My oldest child never threw tantrums. Ever. I thought I must be an awesome parent, at least in this area. Then came my second child and I lost that delusion! Second son had such intense, scary tantrums I was afraid he might hurt himself. I was so freaked out I asked our pediatrician what to do. He was (and is) our third pediatrician who we love because he never acts condescending, is entirely positive about breastfeeding and bedsharing, is generally awesome. We trust him. He said "put him somewhere he cannot hurt himself and let him have his tantrum." I was amazed. Really? Not try to help him? Not try to stop it? I could not get my mind around doing nothing in the face of these terrible tantrums. So I kept trying to keep my son from having tantrums. Over time, I learned some things that helped prevent or avert tantrums. But in the end I also learned that it really is true that sometimes he simply wanted something that I could or would not provide for him, and there was no avoiding it, he just needed to have his tantrum about it. Then it would be over and we could go on with life. Third child also tantrums, at 4, she still does on occasion. She had one today over not being allowed to watch TV. She is funny, she will cry and scream and then be happy as a clam afterward. Basically, do not fear the tantrums, is my point. For many kids this is how they deal with discomfort, frustration or disappointment, until they are old enough to learn to deal with these...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:28 PM
    Yes I agree with mommal. Here is what I wrote earlier but did not post as I was called away from computer: It makes sense. This actually can possibly happen- a baby might have nursing issues that would cause poor milk transfer that are hidden because mom makes so much milk baby does not have to be nursing effectively to get enough. When her milk production reduces to normal, the problem with baby's ability to transfer milk is revealed. I would think yes, most likely this is a very different situation now. But I am afraid it is impossible to know for sure without more time going by or a trained person watching a nursing session and concluding that there is no problem with transfer. This is why I suggested seeing an IBCLC, but it is possible they would not be 100% sure either. If you would like to see an LC again, maybe there are low cost clinics or some other way you can see your LC again or a different one. Often there are more resources available than you might have heard of. It never hurts to ask. To find out what may be available, you can call your LCs, ask any local LLL or other breastfeeding support group, breastfeeding coalitions, etc. Also your LC may be able to talk to you on the phone for a follow up.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:17 PM
    That makes perfect sense! When a mom-baby pair has a rough start, it can be very scary to back off on pumping and supplementing and weighing, etc. I think MaddieB gave excellent advice- in your shoes, I would back off on the pumping but still retain a few sessions per day. Continue to weigh the baby, keeping a careful tally of his intake. If you get through a week with no appreciable decline in his intake, drop another session and continue to weigh him frequently. Continue the process until you have dropped all the pump sessions. I know a lot of moms who have been caught in the consuming cycle of weighing, pumping, and worrying. But there is a light at the end of the tunnel! it gets better, I promise!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:07 PM
    Definitely not time for formula- unless, of course, that is what YOU want to do! Breastmilk isn't hurting your baby's tummy. I know it can seem like that, especially when a bottle of formula seems to produce a calm, sleeping baby! In my experience, a bottle can "magically" take a baby from fussing to sleeping because a bottle can fill a baby to the brim with minimal effort on the baby's part. If I were in your shoes, I would toss the sample formula. The formula companies mail that stuff out hoping to take advantage of situations exactly like yours- the moment when an exhausted mom reaches the end of her rope and is willing to try something-anything!- to make the baby stop crying. Companies know that it doesn't take much frustration and self-doubt for the emergency bottle to become the supplemental bottle, and the supplemental bottle to replace the breast. Don't let the formula company win! :cheer
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  • @llli*jlr141709's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:05 PM
    Thank you so so much. This is extremely helpful! I will try these suggestions and cross my fingers!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:56 PM
    At 10 days, your milk still contains an admixture of colostrum. In my experience, this makes the milk appear more creamy and makes it less likely to separate during storage.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:55 PM
    When you experience lumpy, painful breasts after weaning, it's probably a sign that weaning happened too quickly. When it comes to ending milk production, nature prefers a very slow goodbye. That usually means a slow decline to a few months of nursing just once or twice a day, followed by a period in which the baby nurses maybe once every other day, followed by the final weaning. Often moms don't even realize that their kids have weaned until a week or two have passed. So, what do you do? You could unwean your child. You could pump. Or you could continue to express some milk by hand. The goal should be to keep yourself comfortable, and to keep those plugged areas from turning into something nasty like mastitis. I would worry far less about perpetuating milk production than about comfort and health- so don't be afraid to take the milk out! Getting milk production to end is probably going to take longer than you would like, but trust me- it's worth it to go slow!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:44 PM
    Time for YOU to get some quality YOU time! You have gotten your baby to sleep for 31 months straight, while your partner checks his e-mail and plays Angry Birds or whatever. Really, it's your turn for some uninterrupted time with whenever you like to do in the evening!
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:37 PM
    Ok thanks! So the one thing that jumps out to me is baby's nursing frequency which seems on the lower-average side for parts of the day. So not too low to be a problem for gain, but low enough that it might help with the gas to nurse more often. At this age, it is normal for a baby to nurse at least 8-12 times in 24 hours, with many nursing sessions in clusters, sometimes as close together as several an hour, with longer sleep stretches of 1-3 hours in between, with some babies also doing maybe one longer stretch of 4-6 hours per 24. This sounds like what your baby is doing pretty much, but going 4-6 hours between nursing with any regularity might be a little on the long side, at least for the early newborn months. The reasons this might matter is three- fold. One, the act of nursing is not only psychologically comforting, it also moves the bowels, possibly letting gas and waste move through and out more easily. Two, the more often a baby eats, the smaller each meal can be. It is easier to digest a smaller meal than a larger meal.
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  • @llli*jlr141709's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:03 PM
    I would say I am producing average amounts of milk. His growth is right where they want it to be. Baby nurses anywhere from 1-3 hours apart during the day and 3-6 hours apart at night. He nurses 7-10 minutes at a time, typically one side but sometimes both. Baby poops typically once per day. It's mustard yellowish, runny. I fed him Similac® for Supplementation Ready-to-Feed Liquid Infant Formula-Looks like milk and soy? http://www.target.com/p/similac-for-supplementation-ready-to-feed-liquid-infant-formula-8-2-fl-oz-bottles-6-pack/-/A-16822167 Awesome to know about probiotics. I have never looked into trying that but certainly think it's a great option! THANK YOU!
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  • @llli*margutte's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:35 PM
    HI Maddie, thanks for replying. Sorry, I know my message was a bit confused, and so am I. I actually met wit a lactation consultant twice since the birth. These were covered by the public insurance. The next meetings are going to cost quite a lot, and I cannot afford many, so I am trying to use them wisely. Of course I know that it would be the right thing to do. The consultant suggested in the first week that I weigh the baby before and after each feeding to know how much he takes. I am still doing it, so I know pretty well that my baby is drinking plenty of milk. What I am afraid of is that he is drinking so much because I have extra milk, and if I stopped pumping, he would not be able to get as much as he needs. I have no idea wether this makes sense or is just paranoia. But I kind of suspect that this was what happened in the second week when I first experimented with exclusive breastfeeding (but I had the shiekd back then). He gained a lot during the first four days and then lost a bit in the last three, damaging also my milk supply. Of course now he's much stronger, and we don't use the shields anymore, so it could be a very different situation. Does this make any sense?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:45 PM
    Well if you want to breastfeed, please rest assured that no medical organization would say it is better to switch to formula- gas or no gas! Ok here are a few questions. I may have more later but we have to start somewhere. ;) Do you think you might be making more milk than baby needs, less then baby needs, or about what baby needs? One pretty reliable way to tell would be weight gain- is it fast, average or slow? Does baby seem to have any trouble handling milk flow when you nurse- gulping loud, gasping, coughing etc. About how many times in 24 hours does baby nurse, and does baby take one side at a time or two (or does it vary.)
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  • @llli*jlr141709's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:50 PM
    I desperately want to nurse him for all the benefits for him that it gives. I successfully nursed my other 2 until a year old. Though they had periodic gas initially, it was nothing like his. I was proud to nurse and even manually pumped one side at a time for a year when I returned to work to keep nursing. I loved everything about it. I absolutely would love to get to the bottom of what is causing all this gas for my little guy.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:46 PM
    Hi jlr41709, welcome to the forum. And congratulatiuons! I am curious if you breastfed your older children, and if you did how that went, and if you did not, was it due to some particular issue. Any previous breastfeeding issues may not be relevant with subsequent babies but you never know. Of course only you can decide if formula is the right choice for your child. According to every medical source I know of, including the AAP, breastmilk is considered the most appropriate substance for infant feeding and consequently, assuming mom wishes to breastfeed, this is what is recommended. It is not recommended to switch to formula (or even, to switch formulas when a baby is already formula fed) due to gas. There is only one medically agreed upon reason to give a breastfed baby any formula and that is if mom does not make enough milk for baby to gain normally. And even then the recommendation is to continue to give baby as much breastmilk as is possibl while supplementing with formula. I realize you are seeing a difference with the formula, but this may or may not mean anything about your breastmilk. Even if it does mean something, it does not mean there is no way to make breastfeeding work for baby. Many moms who switch to formula decide later on that they wished they had continued to breastfeed, sometimes because of medical concerns in baby that only occur or become evident later. Unfortunately, once a mother stops nursing her child, it can be very hard to get...
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  • @llli*jlr141709's Avatar
    Yesterday, 12:22 PM
    Hi, I am brand new here. :) I have a seven week old little man. He is my third, though there is a 15 year age difference between him and my previous baby! Yep, my surprise baby! Anyhow, this poor little guy has been so gassy all day/night every day since he was born. But lately, it has been just relentless. The only place he is happy is at the nipple, yet it just seems to cause him more gas pain, more spitting up. I am pumping this poor guy with Mylicon and Gripe Water with little relief. The other night, out of desperation in trying to help him feel better, I took out some sample formula I was mailed before he was born and fed it to him. He ate 4 ounces and was so calm, so happy, slept a 6 hour stretch that night without all that pain and crying. It made me wonder if my want to bf him is worth what it seems to be putting him through. It breaks my heart.
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  • @llli*mum.mumbai's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:25 AM
    Thanks MaddieB, for your kind reply. Yes the problem is if I say I want to go to the toilet and leave, my son throws mini fit and becomes inconsolable (hopping this is terrible twos). Yes he stands outside bathroom door, waling and will not let anyone come near him. So this strategy is of no use. I will now give a shot at trying to give him more incentive to end nursing by offering more fun stuff like snacks, breakfast options. My husband is very less interest in taking over night time routine, so will convince him to partake some of my load. Will keep you posted on the progress
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  • @llli*mum.mumbai's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:15 AM
    Thanks Mommal, yes my son is 2.5 years 31 months precisely. As your suggestions I will now apply your strategy of milk free bed time, by including my hubby's to do the last leg of bedtime routine like a nice cuddle, back rub, boring long story etc. Actually my partner uses this time for quality me time( catching up on chats, mobile games etc) so yes there will be some resistance but will get over it. I had read your reply long back about weaning morning feed by actually taking kids to your parents place and bringing them straight from bed to breakfast table. Well it worked brilliantly for 15 days I was at my parents place, but he slipped badly when I went to my place. I think I will now bring more enticing stuff interesting snacks and stuff, to make nursing seem boring. Hopefully some of this will work keep you posted on updates
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  • @llli*bfulmer's Avatar
    March 26th, 2017, 09:24 PM
    ;):thumbsup
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    March 26th, 2017, 09:22 PM
    Sorry I just re-read this and realized you said smoothies, not cookies. Again it depends on what is in the smoothy and in what dose, but still I wanted to correct my mistake there. If your baby is regularly going about 3-4 hours between nursing sessions, truly the most effective and (usually, although every situation is different) easiest way to increase milk production, milk intake, and weight gain is to encourage baby to nurse more often. Of course some 6 month olds are fine on that frequency but on the other hand, it does not take much breastmilk to increase weight gain to closer to average when it is slightly below that. Just one or two additional nursing sessions a day can make a big difference. If doctor is concerned enough they want another weight check in 6 weeks, that is a good reason to try that. Even if solids are only during your work day, they can impact the whole day of nursing just as overfeeding with bottles can. Given the weight gain concern I am not going to suggest reduce solids, but again I would suggest encouraging baby to nurse more often when you are with baby. Pumping a little more when at work, if and when you can, is also a good idea if you have any concerns about milk production now or for the future. But the need to do this can be offset to some degree if baby nurses more often. The website and book Breastfeeding in Combat Boots is written for nursing moms in the military but has ideas for any pumping mom with a career that makes...
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  • @llli*karaeubanks's Avatar
    March 26th, 2017, 09:18 PM
    I weaned my 21-month-old 5 days ago. After 5 days of cabbage, peppermint tea, sudafed 12-hour in the mornings, ibuprofen, and hand expressing in the shower, I still have VERY lumpy clogged breasts. I'm hand expressing a few times a day, and I know you're supposed express as little as possible, but I think I would really need to empty out to get rid of these lumps. Any advice on what I should do about the plugs? Are breasts supposed to be lumpy while you dry up? It's painful.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    March 26th, 2017, 08:41 PM
    Hi asweetlull. I am so sorry you are having this concern. My best suggestion to you is to see an IBCLC for an in person appointment as soon as possible. Only IBCLCs are trained specifically to help with breastfeeding issues. Doctors are almost never able to help with these situations. As one example of questionalble advice doctors love to give, it is that they tell mom not to nurse so they can only supplement. Why? If baby is not gaining, the issue is not baby nursing but that baby is not getting enough milk when nursing. This can be solved by supplementing while continuing to nurse. Here is what to expect at an appt with an IBCLC: http://www.cwgenna.com/lconsult.html If you do not know how to find an IBCLC please let us know. What your expressed milk looks like in a bottle before or after being refrigerated is irrelevant, I promise you. Do not even think about that. All you want to worry about at this point is 1) pumping often enough with a good enough pump to make sure your milk production is ok going forward and 2) to get baby nursing again asap.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    March 26th, 2017, 08:03 PM
    Hi, it sounds like you have had a rough time but are now seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Your concerns that baby is not stimulating your milk production are normal after an experience like yours, but it is also a concern many moms share, even when they have had no problems. So it might help to talk about milk production and what helps it and what hurts it. Of course exclusive breastfeeding (no pumping needed) is the norm. Assuming your baby is getting enough milk to gain normally, you can usually assume that your milk production is being stimulated appropriately, because it is not "stimulation" that makes milk production normal, but milk removal. There are two important components to milk production being normal. One is, effectiveness of milk removal. The other is, frequency of milk removal. Assuming a baby is nursing effectively enough and frequently enough to gain normally, usually you can assume that milk removal effectiveness and frequency are where they need to be for milk production to be normal. On the other hand if baby is NOT gaining normally, you can assume that there is a problem with milk removal effectiveness and/or frequency. What is normal nursing frequency? Most sources say 8-12 times a day. But I think 8 is very low. If there is a newborn who is nursing less than 10 times in 24 hours I have not met them. Some sources say 10-15 times a day and this is the one I think is much more realistic. So the question is, how often is your baby...
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  • @llli*asweetlull's Avatar
    March 26th, 2017, 06:38 PM
    I have a 10 day old. I have been breastfeeding, but his weight continues to decrease. First I tried alternating every other feeding with breastfeeding on the breast and bottle feeding 2 oz. of my pumped milk. He didn't gain any weight. Today the doctor told me to stop breastfeeding and pump exclusively. After breastfeeding him and then weighing him he hadn't gained anything. She doesn't think he is sucking hard enough. He often falls asleep on the breast even after I unswaddle him, chicken arm him, blow on him, etc. My question is- When I put my pumped milk only the fridge there is no separation. Does this mean I am only pumping the foremilk? If so, how can I get the hindmilk out? I'm already doing breast compressions as I pump. Thank you.
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  • @llli*margutte's Avatar
    March 26th, 2017, 01:42 PM
    My baby was born on the 23rd of February, four and a half weeks ago, at 36 weeks of gestational age, so he reached his full term age during last week. He was 2.5 kg at birth, and about 3.3 kg now. 
 He spent two days in NICU and five total days at the hospital. During this time the nurses gave hime formula and later my milk from the bottles, when it came. I got some counselling with breastfeeding at the hospital, after he left the NICU. They basically told me that his mouth was too small and my nipple a bit flat, so I started using Medela nipple shields. By weighing him before and after the nursing, we saw that he was not taking in enough milk, so I had to keep pumping and giving him the bottle afterwards. I had enough milk to feed him by then, about 500 gr a day at least. Once we came home, I rented a pump and a scale and continued the same routine of nursing, double-weighing, supplementing my own milk with a bottle and pumping. About a week and a half after the birth, the midwife came for the routine check-up and, since he had gained weight, she suggested to stop the stressful routine and exclusively breastfeeding for four days, then she would come to weigh him again. After these four days, he had gained 180 gr., so I continued for three more days, after which the midwife weighed him again. It was shocking to find that he had lost 50 grams during this time! The midwife thought that he was understimulating me because of the nipple shields. So I started the old...
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