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  • @llli*valerie11's Avatar
    Today, 09:51 PM
    I just would like someone to tell me what they would do if you were in my shoes. I am a mess over this and extremely upset/angry/depressed. I have been so set on my DD getting only BM, never any formula. I was set to go, by the time she was 6 months old I had pumped and frozen almost 1,000 ounces. I figured I had enough and I could stop pumping as much. I now only pump at night, because we give her a bottle of pumped milk at bedtime (i work nights and we have done this since the beginning). Now that my supply has dropped, she is starting to need the frozen BM and ALL OF IT IS BAD!!! I have been so upset over this and I don't know what to do anymore. My milk is fine stored in the refrigerator. Baby doesn't have an issue with it, smells fine, tastes fine (yes I had a taste testing session last night that ended with me crying on the couch). Frozen, it smells awful, it has a sour smell to it, and when I tasted it, it made me dry heave and almost vomit. I held it back. It was so bad. My daughter acts like its gross and has thrown up a few times before I realized (she was sick with a runny nose and fever for a brief period of time and I attributed it to that). Every bag we open smells that way. I tasted one from June, one from September and they both made me want to puke. We have de thawed and thrown away probably 12 bags that all smell the same. They are all in a deep freezer we bought new this year. What do I do???!!!! I am devastated!! I do not want to give her...
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 09:26 PM
    I had tons of problems but I also had the problem of winding up with a low milk supply. My LO was able to transfer milk but only about half of what he needed so we wound up using the tube/syringe at the breast feeder with formula from 5 days till I was able to get a SNS. We didn't get the tongue/lip ties taken care of till 8 weeks and that still didn't immediately fix things. We worked with a speech pathologist for six weeks and I needed Domperidone for my supply before we were able to get things all sorted out. I unfortunately don't respond well to the pump so that really didn't help me with supply but it did take up a lot of my time and left me exhausted. Anyway, I had lots of struggles but once my supply was up and I quit pumping things have been really good for us. Even now at 8 months though, big difference is we are feeding almost hourly through most of the waking hours and nurses several times overnight. He takes really small meals much of the time so that means we nurse often (my storage capacity is small too I guess.) I would suggest (with your LC's knowledge) perhaps try nursing far more frequently if baby will latch on. Adjust the pumping schedule around this as needed if you have enough milk stored up to be a bit flexible here and there. Perhaps you could borrow a baby scale as well to do some of your own weighted feedings or to keep track of weekly weight as you try to reduce the supplements. With my LO, I generally couldn't get him to take...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 09:23 PM
    couple quick thoughts what do you mean by a full feed? Are you using paced bottle feeding positioning like described in the link mommal provided? Normal feeds are small at this age are about one to 3 ounces typically. One thing that can happen when baby is bottle fed is baby gets used to a very fast flow of milk and lots of milk at a feeding, which is not typical of nursing at the breast. Paced feeding may help with this, but as tclynx says, an at the breast supplementer is usually the best bet assuming it works in your situation. IF baby latches, does it still hurt? also, what about trying nursing first, then bottle. or bottle, nursing, more bottle...or nursing at least some of the time with no bottle. etc. The general idea is to encourage as much nursing as possible while of course also making sure baby gets enough to eat. When eping, what you are trying to do when pumping is to, as close as possible, mimic what a baby does. A baby this age will typically nurse at least 8 times in 24 hours. (usually more often.) So when exclusively pumping, pumping at least that often is suggested. (Some moms can drop to 6 or 7 pump sessions a day after 6 weeks assuming good milk production, even though most babies would not nurse so infrequently at that age. )
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 08:52 PM
    Are you also working/pumping? If so, around this time most moms find they need to rehab pump parts due to the pump slump. Any changes in birth control? Medications? Or possibility of pregnancy?
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 07:25 PM
    to find an IBCLC http://www.ilca.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3901 Mommal's suggestions all good! I used a supplemental nursing system (lactation aid) which allowes supplements to be given at the breast and let you skip the bottle. They can be a pain to deal with but the whole triple feeding routine is crazy hard for any extended length of time. Will baby latch without the nipple shields at all?
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  • @llli*elisabet's Avatar
    Today, 03:20 PM
    3littlesprouts thank u :) my problem is exactly that, Im never consistent during nights. It just depends if Im cranky or not.. Yeah I think I have to give her some slack, I mean she is just 2. I feel more positive already.
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  • @llli*elisabet's Avatar
    Today, 03:17 PM
    maddieb :) nice to hear (sorry) that others are frustrated as well. I also know that Im not a bad mother I just feel it in the heat of the moment. We co-sleep with her in a side car nex to our bed and she hits me and kicks and if daddy tries to sleep next to her everything goes crazy! She attends daycare so she sleeps there. She always cries for about 2min when laid to bed but then sleeps for about 1-2hours. Her father can get her to nap if Im not home during weekends but I always nurse her to sleep if Im home. I should try to nap-wean her then :)
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  • @llli*elisabet's Avatar
    Today, 03:10 PM
    :) I would like her to ask and give up the punching me in the face. I wanna wait little longer to night wean her cause I know it is not possible/ I dont have the energy or will power to do so.
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  • @llli*poppy123's Avatar
    Today, 02:55 PM
    I tried offering a small bottle to take off his hunger but he still wouldn't go back to breasts after that. So I ended up giving him a full feed through bottle. I'm not sure if I should pump every 3 hour or follow his feeding schedule. He feeds on demand and sometimes it could be up to 4hour. If I wait longer than 4 hour to pump, will it affect my supply? Last night he was breastfeeding for 5mins and I could hear him swallowing. I assumed it was just the foremilk he was taking and it won't be full enough for him. He ended up not having a top up and fell asleep. I expected him to wake up after 30mins or so but he ended up sleeping for 3hour+ before next feed. Hopefully he will do this again and it's a good sign. Or it could be he had a big feed before that?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 02:25 PM
    the same thing happened with me, I was given reglan for morning sickness and it is no longer prescribed during pregnancy. Of course recommendations about the efficacy, appropriate use, and safety of medications does change sometimes. This is just a fact of medications. A medication that anyone takes may be found to not be considered appropriate or safe for that person, even. The thing that is nice about Dr. Hales work (infantrisk.com and Medications and Mothers Milk) is he gives more much than just a straight safety rating. For one thing, it is not a straight yes or no, it is a scale. He lists all relevant studies or information about the medication in question, then uses his expertise in the physiology of breastfeeding, pediatrics, and pharmacology to give it a rating, and explains the reasons for the rating. I have purchased the most recent editions of his book for several years, and if anything meds tend to go down the scale (are rated safer) the longer the medications is available and more info is available. But some meds are definitely contraindicated, and of course once you know more about the med even if it has a safe rating you may decide the risk of taking it while nursing is not worth continuing to nurse at this point.
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  • @llli*mere52's Avatar
    Today, 02:22 PM
    He's constantly fussing at the breast and I can tell he's not getting milk as easily because letdown takes longer. My breast (he's always been a one-sided nurser) is also a lot softer and feels much more empty than before, and is much smaller too.
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  • @llli*petersmommyjessi's Avatar
    Today, 02:19 PM
    My son is 21 months and I'm 7 months pregnant. He's been dry nursing for at least a month, although I think my colostrum has come in. My son doesn't nurse often but when he does he will nurse for a LONG time, like 30 minutes or more unless I pull him off. Especially first thing in the morning when he wakes up. He will not fall asleep either (it seems like he's trying to go back to sleep) but will stay half awake nursing. If I pull him off he wakes up and cries. He was always a really short nurser. The issue is that the sensation of nursing is driving me crazy now days and having him on me for 30-45 minutes is making me crazy. I love nursing and don't want to wean but these marathon sessions have got to stop. Any insight?
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Today, 02:03 PM
    I have a nine month old too, and her frequency of nursing is all over the place, day to day, and sometimes it throws me (and my body) through a loop sometimes now too. That said, what things are causing you to believe your supply to be low? A baby can want to nurse frequently for many reasons (most recently for my nine month old-- teething, running nose, slight fever, developmental leaps, etc).
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  • @llli*3littlesprouts's Avatar
    Today, 01:36 PM
    I have a two year old too, and I know exactly what you're talking about! The thing is, I don't nurse him anymore, and I haven't for a while. "Choosing to do extended breastfeeding" is probably not the issue. Even though he doesn't wake asking for milk, he wakes all the time crying for water, for snuggles, because he wet the bed, because he's cold, because he wants to hold sissy's hand, because his mosquito bites are itching... And the mini dragon, oh how I know it. He talks perfectly intelligible during the day, but it's like he completely forgets how to talk in the night, and therefore reverts to anything from groaning to wide mouthed screeching. All that to say, it may just be because she's two? Some of the best advice I've been given is to be firm in your response and be consistent. It's so hard to do that in the night I know... Rationality is not at it's peak, and zombie like emotions lord over the night. Keep going, don't be afraid to try new things... Other than that, awesome job for still breastfeeding her, I wish I had kept going with my son ;)
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  • @llli*mere52's Avatar
    Today, 01:27 PM
    My 9 month old is exclusively breastfed and for the past couple of days has been nursing constantly during the day and night. Despite this, my supply has had a noticeable decrease and now it seems like he is just never satisfied. I'm so tired and frustrated. :cry
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 01:07 PM
    I also have a very demanding 2 year old daughter. Oh the whining! I have 2 older kids and I swear they did not act this way...selective memory? I don't know...She is very verbal at this point but often hard to understand which brings me to my story- Yesterday I took all three of them to the grocery store to get a few last minute things for Thanksgiving. She whined about getting in the cart, about wanting a "sample," wanting a cup of water (which she dropped and it went all over the floor in the checkout line) - I mean this was a 15 minute shopping trip and she was still complaining the whole time and I was loosing my mind. Finally we were done, and as I finished up paying and getting the bag, suddenly I realized she had been asking for stickers for some time and now was whine/screaming STICKERS!!!! (They have these stickers they give kids at this store at check out, and the clerk had forgotten to offer this time.) Well the clerk, who was about 19, made a big deal of telling my daughter to "ask nicely" "Can you ASK for stickers and say please??" Of course my daughter completely clammed up and stared at the clerk like she had never heard the word before. My rational mind told me my daughter is two, she had been asking 'nicely' for the stickers but we had all ignored her because we were distracted and had not understood, and that was when she started to scream as she was getting wheeled away. In any case, the clerk should have just given her the stickers. I also know...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 11:24 AM
    Ok, so you are the real expert around here! Ok, I am not sure I understand the questions but here goes: Do you mean you pump 7 times a day or baby only eats 7 times a day? I would suggest nursing baby more often than 7 times a day, and some nursing sessions can be without supplement if you like and baby agrees. Pumping: Milk production is well established, and some reliable sources suggest that after week 6, IF milk production is adequate, ok to drop to 6 pump sessions per day from 8-10. This is for moms who are exclusively pumping-baby not nursing at all. So with that in mind, I think you can adjust your pumping frequency as seems appropriate for your situation. Go by how you feel. Be careful to avoid lots of fullness between sessions as a full breast sends the signal that reduces milk production. Be careful to monitor baby for signs they are not getting enough.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 11:11 AM
    Did any of the people who watched baby nurse think there was a nursing issue? I guess I am wondering if this is more a (baby) personality problem or possibly some other health issue, than a breastfeeding problem. If I understand correctly, baby is gaining, and baby is capable of having calm nursing sessions at night, and even occasionally for 5 nursing sessions in a row. There is really no reason that a baby who can nurse well some of the time should not be able to nurse well all the time. And yet, many and probably most babies do NOT nurse well all the time, and get fussy, scream, cry, won't latch, clamp, etc. at some sessions, even daily. Most of the time, this is not often enough to be a concern, and mom can calm baby another way and try to nurse again later. But some babies, the issues happens so frequently there is more the concern baby will not nurse enough to get enough. The health issue might be something that causes pain or discomfort some of the time. A baby has to engage a lot of anatomy in order to nurse. So pain or tightness is the jaw or neck, headache, earache, gum pain, even not liking the position because an arm or something gets pinched or leaned on, as well as gastrointestinal discomfort, and probably many other things, can cause issues. You have seen lots of helpers, so I assume someone has discussed if maybe seeing a chiropractor, or someone who practices cranial sacral therapy or bowen (maybe bowin? Can't remember) therapy, might be...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 10:55 AM
    Hi, Wonderful if all supplements are your own milk, as this indicates you make at least enough milk for baby, and possibly more. So that means the issue (if there is an issue) with weight gain, it is about milk transfer and not milk production. But as far as their affect on breastfeeding, supplements are supplements whether formula or moms milk, they are food baby is getting aside from what baby can get at the breast. If a baby does not actually need them, or does not need as much as they are getting, they are likely to cause baby to not nurse with normal frequency or as effectively as otherwise. How many feedings each day are via nursing and how much is baby getting by bottle? How often do you pump? What do you think of my reading of the weight checks which seem to suggest baby was gaining fine prior to supplements? Have you discussed using an at the breast supplementer (lactation aid) for supplements instead of a bottle? No bottle or nipple is like the breast, and any can cause breastfeeding issues, sucking issues, and even breast refusal. As far as I know there are no studies indicating the calma is any different in this regard, because the reasons bottles cause issues are complicated and not only about the shape of the nipple or what baby has to do to transfer milk. For this reason, when appropriate, an at the breast supplementer is considered a more breastfeeding supportive way to supplement a baby. If this cannot be done, then paced bottle feeding...
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  • @llli*lettismom's Avatar
    Today, 10:35 AM
    As to feeding length, I don't worry about that for the most part. Once she gets let down, she will eat happily as long as the milk is flowing. She usually finishes both sides in under 10 minutes, but I know she gets enough if she seems sated and happy afterwards. Also, there's the aforementioned healthy weight gain. With breast compressions, I don't try to hold my whole breast. Even just pushing at the top, sides, etc. seems to disturb DD's latch. If I do it super gently, it doesn't seem to bother her, but then it doesn't seem to improve milk flow very much either. I'll keep working on it, though. The flanges do seem a bit large for me and I'm planning on buying a smaller size this week to see if that helps me let down with the pump. The lactation consultants were all board certified (2 of them with over 40 years experience) and observed her during a feeding. It was maybe 20 minutes though two of the times. Two times I didn't have a special appointment; once was at the pediatrician's office (I just asked to have their on-staff LC come in to observe) and the other time was at the end of a LLL meeting with the LC who was running the meeting. She observed the baby and tried to get her latched to no avail. I did have an hour long appointment with a LC once, but DD was VERY sleepy and actually ate without putting up a fight, so I just explained what she usually does. Should I get another appointment with someone else? I have tried feeding DD more frequently...
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  • @llli*rabbit7's Avatar
    Today, 09:14 AM
    in thinking about your suggestions we were thinking about letting him sleep tonight an wake when hungry... I typically pump at each feeding pumping 34ish oz a day. do you think I 'd be safe for both my milk production and baby's weight gain to skip a feed in the middle of the night. We are dropping his feeds to 3oz...seems to be satisfied with this. Should I up it a bit to compensate for only 7 feeds?
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  • @llli*jessica.holiga's Avatar
    Today, 08:57 AM
    I can't believe I have gotten to this point, but for this short work week (Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday ) have been able to consistently pump the 10.5 ounces she normally takes in a day. WOOOO!! That means that I am actually going to freeze an extra bottle - which is the first start to my freezer stash. I am really hoping that with this 4 day weekend, I can power nurse and pump to really solidify that output! The only recent changes I made were to start taking fenugreek seed instead of the capsules and my birth control shot wearing off completely - so who knows if it was one of those that affected it or something else, but I am so glad my body has finally listened to what I have been telling it to do ;) In regards to maddieb's response - baby is different everyday. If she takes a long nap in the morning, then she will usually only use 2 3.5 oz bottles while I'm gone. But if she doesn't, then she typically wants to eat around 930, 1130, 130 and 330. So my caregivers - thankfully mostly family - have been really good about holding her off at that last time she wants to eat. That is why they feel like she could use more on some of the days. In the past I have never had any extra to send for that cushion in case she wants more, because with the low output anything that was left over was needed that next day. Hopefully now that my output is a little better, I will be able to actually have that extra bottle in the fridge for those just in case times. So I guess my...
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  • @llli*rabbit7's Avatar
    Today, 08:48 AM
    thank you for your encouragement! I will try lessening the amt of milk given at feeds and see what happens...I often wonder how he lived those 1st 5 weeks as well...I think he lived on catching my let downs. he was weighed at 2 days past discharge. at that point he gained 1/2 oz so our pediatrician said we were on our way and ther was no need for a 10 day check ( he was relying on the fact that I have EB 6 other children) Unfortuately, this was very bad advice! My baby seems to only respond to milk already flowing. I reduced the sns tube to the smallest size
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  • @llli*mominstress's Avatar
    Today, 08:42 AM
    just to be clear I am expressing milk and feeding that via bottle. We visited lactation consultant she mentioned my baby has high palate and week sucking reflex, I can also mention when I feed via bottle I need to hold her cheek on 1 side so that she can create vaccum for sucking. We use Medela Calma bottle which require baby to suck in order to feed. We are visiting another lactation consultant though she ruled out tongue tie and my baby can stick out tongue from mouth. Any suggestions?
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  • @llli*bsua65's Avatar
    Today, 07:35 AM
    You mention pain, and I'm aware that by year 3 you have probably explored most options to nurse pain free, but is pain free nursing something maybe folks on here can help with? As for milk and meds, it is scary! But... milk is different to blood so transfer risk is lower in feeding than in pregnancy. Maybe look at the 'why' of it being safe... Inertia would be feel less safe that molecular size meaning it is too big to pass through (if that's the case etc). Dr Hale really is an excellent resource for whys and levels of safety no just blanket yes or no's.
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  • @llli*bsua65's Avatar
    Today, 07:00 AM
    I wanted to clarify I didn't mean lengthening times between feedings either, more that if she is anxious/refusing not to force it! Have you tried the reverse and offering more but with the proviso that if she isn't interested move on to something else. Stress on your part can inhibit let down too, so I know it's easier said than done but try to relax. I know mamas that gave made feeding into a game by squinting milk at baby, or going topless with a baby in a carrier just so they get used to breasts being there without pressure to eat.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:30 AM
    Welcome to the forum! It's not too late to start nursing, but when you have a baby who has been trained to bottle-feed, there are no guarantees when it comes to getting your baby back to the breast. However, I think you have a better than usual shot at giving up bottles because your baby will latch. That is excellent, and puts you way ahead of moms whose babies have forgotten how to latch or refuse to latch at all. Here's what I would do: 1. Offer the breast frequently. Offer at the beginning of feedings, when the baby is hungry. When the baby seems done with the breast, top up with the bottle, and then offer the breast again, so that the baby associates the feeling of being fed and comfortable with being at the breast rather than with finishing the bottle. 2. Use bottles in a breastfeeding-supportive manner, see http://kellymom.com/bf/pumpingmoms/feeding-tools/bottle-feeding/ 3. Continue to pump. Yes, I know it is exhausting considering all the other work you are doing!!! But hopefully a big effort now will allow you to phase out your relationship with the pump. 4. Keep the supplemental bottles small. I'm thinking 1-2 oz at a time. The more often the baby gets hungry, the more motivated he will be to take opportunities to nurse. It's typical for a baby this age to feed as much as 10-12 times a day or even more often. 5. See another LC, preferably one who is an IBCLC.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:18 AM
    Nursing an older toddler has some unique challenges, and you are allowed to complain about them! The problem with complaining about them is that it's rare to find someone who has experienced anything similar or who has anything wise to say about them. Let go of the feeling that you are a failure or a bad mother. Night nursing is one of the most generous things you can do, and the fact that you have continued to night nurse despite sleep deprivation and your child's challenging nighttime behavior points to you being a good and generous mom. What would your ideal be, at this point? Would you like to night wean or would you simply like your LO to be better behaved when it comes to nursing?
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