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  • @llli*steveion321's Avatar
    Today, 02:54 PM
    I think you did avoid in start to nurse her. but anyhow its not bad I think. she feels comfort at that time.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 02:50 PM
    So baby is exclusively breastfed, basically? Only a couple bottles? IN that case I would agree it is unlikely this has anything to do with bottles. How is baby's weight gain? Poops? How many times in 24 hours does baby nurse (about)? Does baby usually take one side at a time, both, or switch off? Are you usually or mostly able to bring baby to the breast when baby is calm? Or is baby going from 0-60 so fast baby is upset before you can get baby to the breast? This can cause more issues with latch. How are you feeling? Do you ever feel full between feedings, and if you do, how full? Do you feel any 'softer' after baby has nursed? Is nursing comfortable for you? Who gave/sold you the nipple shield? Did they also suggest latch ideas for you? If baby is capable of latching and nursing without a shield, I would suggest try to avoid using it. Once in a while is fine, I am not saying go cold turkey if you are finding it helpful. But shields cause numerous issues and it is best to use them only if truly needed. I am sure we can offer latch and positioning ideas that may help.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 02:01 PM
    Hi, I have experience with a newborn and a nursing/bedsharing toddler. My oldest was a couple months shy of turning 3 when his brother was born. I had tried nightweaning when my older son was 18 months, and it was torture and never really took anyway. So by the time I conceived, we were was back to nursing overnight again. I have very hard pregnancies with high level of exhaustion and nausea/vomiting the whole way though. So I found having a child who I could lay down with and nap with every day and comfort to sleep easily overnight meant more sleep for me and that was awesome. After baby was born, of course baby woke far more frequently than my older son, and at first nursing both at night did not much matter in terms of lack of sleep- newborn period, very little uninterrupted sleep anyway. It took about 6 months for the double duty night waking to get to the point I wanted to do something about it. By then my older son was almost 3 and a half and it was a pretty simple and easy process to move him into his own room and bed, and once that occurred, night weaning happened naturally.
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  • @llli*djs.mom's Avatar
    Today, 01:13 PM
    No I am speaking about after the year point. I think you need to stretch out your freezer stash and supplement as needed for the next 8 weeks.
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  • @llli*canadianemily's Avatar
    Today, 10:57 AM
    After contemplating it for a couple days, I think I've decided to try to night wean, but I hate the thought of that process. I want him to be night weaned, but I don't want to night wean him, haha. Is it possible to night wean him on my own while continuing to bed share? He's completely fine if I limit his nursings during the day, but I've tried some of the same tactics at night, and it just doesn't work, because he can't sleep. I'll start reading the weaning section of The Womanly Art and see if I find anything there. But I don't see how this will happen without lots of crying. Maybe it's better to get pregnant first and hope the lack of milk is an incentive? But I really think he nurses mostly for comfort.
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  • @llli*bakyjjc's Avatar
    Today, 08:14 AM
    Thank you, I will take a look at the article. I really appreciate your feedback!
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  • @llli*podutti's Avatar
    Today, 07:37 AM
    is that 3-5 times, plus the 3 bottles? Or does a 10 month old only need to to nurse 3-5 times in a 24 hour period total?
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  • @llli*cl-cot's Avatar
    Today, 06:49 AM
    My 3 week old son is kind of a lazy nurser. And not always. Sometimes he nurses just fine. We use a nipple shield sometimes due to latching issues in the beginning, and now mostly if he gets frustrated and I get frustrated and it's just easier. But my problem is that he doesn't seem to want to suck once he's on. Again, he doesn't always do this. But he'll practically attack like he's starving, then sucks once or twice to get a good hold, then stops. Then he gets mad when nothing happens... Because he won't suck. I don't know what to do about it. He has had a bottle... Twice ever. But he was doing this before bed ever had a bottle. Any ideas? we just spent two hours tonight trying to nurse... Now he is done, but I don't feel like he ate much at all. Almost feel like he just got fed up and is done too. i just don't know what to do.
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  • @llli*kelly.tan's Avatar
    Today, 06:17 AM
    Hi, my baby is now 4 wks old and I'll return to work at week 16. I would like to build up a frozen stash before returning to work as I expect to be able to pump only 1 or 2 times while at work (leaving house at abt 8am and returning only at 7pm 5 times a wk). My baby's feeding pattern is quite erratic sometimes feeding every 1 to 1.5 hrs or sometimes every 2.5 hrs. She normally feeds only on 1 breast only but at times need both breasts to be satisfied. How should I pump as I'm worried that she'll scream at the next feeding if I empty both breasts (tried that once and she was furious at not getting milk I didn't feel letdown during that feed). She is usually very impatient and needs to feed once she wakes else she screams the house down. How long should I pumps at each session if her normal feeding is about 10min? Any advice is appreciated.
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  • @llli*ramatae's Avatar
    Today, 01:49 AM
    Hello, Just wanted to share that I am in the same position, and my baby is now 4.5 months (20 weeks old). His behavior (only nursing while asleep or very ready to sleep, fussy at breast when awake, refusing bottles, etc) began when he was around 10 weeks old. I am not a breastfeeding expert. However, I'm a mom dealing with similar issues, trying to work it all out. I thought you might want to follow our continuing story: http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?126088-Slow-no-weight-gain-at-4-5-months
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  • @llli*ramatae's Avatar
    Today, 01:47 AM
    Hello, Just wanted to share that I am in the same position, and my baby is now 4.5 months (20 weeks old). His behavior (only nursing while asleep or very ready to sleep, fussy at breast when awake, refusing bottles, etc) began when he was around 10 weeks old. I am not a breastfeeding expert. However, I'm a mom dealing with similar issues, trying to work it all out. I thought you might want to follow our continuing story: http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?126088-Slow-no-weight-gain-at-4-5-months
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  • @llli*ramatae's Avatar
    Today, 01:21 AM
    Update: The new pediatrician seems confident that baby has silent reflux; something I suspected early on but our first pediatrician dismissed as colic. He has now been prescribed Zantac, and if this doesn't work, additional testing will be done to investigate for any underlying health concerns. The doctor was not well-versed in breastfeeding support and did not know whether reflux would cause a baby to clamp/pinch the nipple. Does anybody have experience with this? My gut tells me yes, because the baby would try to limit his intake of milk. I'd like to think that his latch will also be improved if indeed it is reflux. I will post another update as we try the meds; it appears there are several mommas right now who are dealing with babies who only eat while asleep and very little at a time (as mine does). Perhaps this record will be useful to others in the future.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:16 PM
    Well this is possible of course. Baby may not rouse enough to nurse, and baby may wake up and not fall back asleep. But it is also quite possible baby will wake enough to nurse and go right back to sleep. For my own comfort, I have had to wake babies to nurse at night and the latter is my most common experience. But, I also bedshared with all babies, and that may make a difference in how rapidly baby would tend to settle again. If baby is gaining well and nursing frequently the rest of the day, I am not saying it is imperative to wake baby to nurse. It is just one practical option that is overlooked because parents are so strongly cautioned about never waking up a sleeping babyThat can certainly be a problem. But natural sleep? Usually not going to cause any issues and nice when you can get it, and you can deal with any discomfort you experience by hand expressing or pumping instead as needed. Shorter sleep stretches are normal. That does not mean baby is not in discomfort, that I cannot say for sure. Babies usually feel some digestive discomfort every day, but that is also normal in most cases.
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  • @llli*n.lea's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:38 PM
    I've been experimenting with giving him a feed before I head to bed (while he's still sleeping) but more often than not he stays completely unconscious through the whole pick up, put to breast, put back down experience, without even sort of taking any food. I think I've managed to catch him at the right part of his sleep cycle once, where he actually took the breast and fed a bit. I've been wary of trying to actively wake him up to get him to feed the other times I've tried. I figure that if picking him up and putting him to the breast isn't enough to rouse him, anything else I try will either be equally ineffective or it will work TOO well, and I'll have an awake unhappy baby on my hands. Thanks for the heads up on that, I'll worry less if he becomes more wakeful in the future. I can just see my future self without this knowledge frantically googling when I should be sleeping:). So the shorter stretches after the initial long stretch are more normal and expected, not anything to do with him being in discomfort? That's actually nice to know, thanks.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:20 PM
    There is another current thread where mom is dealing with similar issue. You might look at some of the questions I have asked on that thread and see if anything seems relevant. http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?126097-Baby-will-only-nurse-while-sleeping This issue of baby only nursing when asleep is something that has come up several times on these forums and I have heard of it at LLL meetings once in a while. But away from the forums I have never found much of anything about it in breastfeeding literature. It's frustrating to me, I cannot imagine how frustrating it must be for you. I would suggest as a first step, go back to the beginning and think about what if anything changed in the life or habits of yourself, baby and family before this started happening. I am sure you have already done this, I would just suggest, do it again. I have heard of things as minor as mom changing her deodorant causing a baby to refuse to nurse.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:57 PM
    Can you post a complete weight history for the baby, including birth weight, lowest weight, and weight at each checkup, and indicate when you started supplementing? The reason I ask is that being in the 25th %ile is not in and of itself a cause for concern or an indication of low supply.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:47 PM
    Ok, if this started after your return to work, I think it makes sense it might be related. Not for sure of course, but might. So what might cause this behavior that would be work related? Is baby in daycare? Perhaps baby caught something, very common when a baby first goes to day care. If baby is being overfed while you are gone, or fed too much at once, that can cause issues with nursing. This is probably the most common reason for this kind of behavior, but it does not fit with the fact your baby is not eating at all when you are at work. If care giver is or has been overly insistent that baby eat, that may cause a feeding aversion. Not that anyone would do this on purpose, but mom's return to work is a bit stressful and if baby was upset but not eating, I can see how a caregiver might get just a little upset or insistent, pushing bottle into babies mouth, that kind of thing. This would not bother some babies but could cause some temporary feeding aversion in others. Another thought is that your baby is simply in a different feeding and growth pattern, and just does not need to eat as much right now. But since you are understandably concerned, you are making sure baby nurses when baby is asleep. And since baby is nursing just as much as before, but now only when asleep, baby is not hungry when awake, or at least not hungry enough to fight through whatever is causing the resistance to nursing. Your milk production is clearly fine, and baby is gaining well,...
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  • @llli*bakyjjc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:41 PM
    Hi, thank you for your response. Is this behavior something that started after you returned to work, or before? This started after returning to work, so I'm wondering if it's related. You had/have a fast letdown. Do you also have overproduction? How has baby's weight gain been overall- fast, slow, average? When you pump at work, what kind of output do you get typically? Do you pump other times? With my first, I always pumped more than he would eat while I was at work. I respond very to the pump. I will get around 20 oz with 3 pumping sessions during the day while I'm at work. I don't know if that is normal or not. I do not pump outside of work. Her weight gain has been in the 70's percentile.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:20 PM
    Hi and welcome, Distraction and "partial" breast refusal (baby refusing to nurse some of the time, or changing nursing patterns so they nurse less often or for shorter periods) are fairly common issues around this age, and if it is extreme it is usually temporary. However, I think it does make sense to take this seriously as you do not want it developing into something more long lived and serious. Also, it always worries me a bit more when a baby will ONLY nurse when asleep. This could be so many things I am going to ask a bunch of questions to try to narrow things down. But sometimes no clear cause presents itself. Is this behavior something that started after you returned to work, or before? You had/have a fast letdown. Do you also have overproduction? How has baby's weight gain been overall- fast, slow, average? When you pump at work, what kind of output do you get typically? Do you pump other times?
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  • @llli*bakyjjc's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:25 PM
    Hi, My 11wk old baby has just started to nurse only while she's asleep. If she's awake, she will start to suck for a few seconds and the pull off the breast and fuss/cry. She will do this several times before I have to get her to sleep and then I can nurse her. She does fine while she's asleep. I can tell she's hungry because she is sucking her fists like crazy. I think I do have a forceful letdown, but it wasn't a problem for her before, and it's not a problem when she's asleep. Is there a reason for this/ should I be concerned? She also will not take a bottle or pacifier. I have recently gone back to work part time. She will drink some milk out of a sippy cup, but not enough while I'm gone. I'm trying to work her up to drinking more ounces. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks!
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  • @llli*marysmommy's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:57 AM
    I'm sure the ladies here will have good advice for you. We're going through the same thing. I have OALD, so we nurse laying down. I can sometimes get her to nurse on the couch, but she is often fussy or distracted even in a quiet and dark room. We can't nurse in public, because she will look around the whole time. She nurses much better in the evening when we snuggle in the living room while she cluster feeds/snoozes. She also wants to nurse ALL night long, because I think she's not getting much during the day though I offer the breast often. It's exhausting. Part of this is developmental. Babies at this age can't do two things at once. I've read that by 6 months or so they can take in their surroundings while BF. I wanted to tell you that I understand completely.
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  • @llli*nermal85's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:48 AM
    Thank you maddieb. I'm gonna be gone for 6hrs. I was planning on tanking him up before I leave. I will give a drop of milk a go. Good job he's too young to remember me trying to get breast milk up his nose, something to tell him on his 18th lol x
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:43 AM
    5 -7 hours sleep stretch at this age is not common but may be perfectly ok, but it is not so much the length of time baby goes without nursing but instead, how your body reacts to it. If you are waking up full and painful, no matter how long it has been, then your breasts are getting too full and have long been full enough to give your body the signal to reduce milk production. Plus this is a situation that might cause plugs or even mastitis. If you are currently making more milk than baby needs, then milk production reducing somewhat is normal and expected. However, generally speaking, breastfeeding issues are not caused by baby nursing more, and are caused by baby nursing less. In other words, for longevity of the breastfeeding relationship, encouraging frequent nursing day and night tends to be helpful. There is no need for a baby to "empty" a breast in the normal course of breastfeeding. This myth will not die and it causes all kinds of confusion. Babies are not machines and neither are you. Of course there will be times baby wants to eat less, or the breast is more full to begin with. That is normal, and at those times the breast will be less 'empty' after nursing than others. Normal. So called "Emptying" the breast is a technique for increasing milk production and is only needed if mom has low milk production and needs to increase it. And even then it probably does not need to happen every time baby nurses. When baby wants to nurse overnight, or really at...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:28 AM
    Yes you can try using breastmilk instead of saline to moisten and soothe irritated nasal passages. This is commonly done. You only need enough to moisten the passages, so this is not going to choke baby, and if you think it is clogging his nose just stop using it. I have never heard of that happening but I suppose it is possible if the milk had chunks of fat in it. I am unclear for how long a period of time baby will need bottles. The rule of thumb for separations is that a baby typically needs between 1 and 1.5 ounces per hour away from mom. So, for an 8 hour separation, leave 8-12 ounces. But there is wiggle room there. If you are certain your baby can nurse right before you leave and right after you return, then your baby may not need that much. This is especially true if the separation is going to be short, like 3-4 hours. In that case, I do not see why there is a need to leave more than 3-4 ounces as baby might only need one feeding of about 2-3 ounces while you are gone, if that.
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