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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 07:07 AM
    Unless those pumps are pretty much new in box, I would invest in a new PISA. Better tools = better results, and used pumps are often pretty worn, particularly if they have been used for a year or so. In fact, if/when you're pretty sure you've been matched with a baby, I would recommend going out and getting a hospital-grade rental pump with correctly sized shields and using that as you work to bring in maximum supply. Since you have time until your baby arrives, a 3-4 hour frequency sounds like a good way to start. If that doesn't get results, increase your frequency and add in some sessions overnight. You might want to look into the drug protocol now, even though your baby is still a ways off. Take some time to evaluate the way it works, and if that's right for you, and find a doctor or midwife who is willing to work with you when/if the time comes and you want to take it. It would stink if you decided you wanted to try it and then couldn't find a doctor willing to prescribe it for you, right?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:59 AM
    It might increase your supply, but high supply really isn't the worst problem you can have when you're back at work. And since you're back at work, having your baby nurse more is good practice for her and therefore worth doing. Wonderful! Even better!!!
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  • @llli*tomzgirl's Avatar
    Today, 06:47 AM
    I was planning to get a Medela Pump in Style but am wondering if the PISA would be better for any reason? A friend is selling both for waaaay cheap... Thoughts? Frequency- every 3-4 hours while awake. I wasn't going to pursue drugs just yet because our LO is probably several months/year away.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:42 AM
    How has his weight gain been through this period of infrequent and distracted nursing?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:40 AM
    Well done, mama! Not that you're done, of course. But marking a big milestone nevertheless!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:39 AM
    :ita If you google, you'll find a ton of advice about when your child "should" or "will" start sleeping through the night- when he's doubled his birthweight, when solids are introduced, when he's 12 weeks old, etc. It's all complete garbage! One reason that I think it's bunk is that it fails to mention that sleep isn't a straight progression from frequent waking to no waking. Many, maybe even most, babies will go through a period where they sleep long stretches and mom is feeling great, and thinking she must have done just the best job because, hey, her baby is sleeping, just like the books/pediatrician/grandma say he "should". But most babies also return to frequent waking sometime during the first year, as teething, growth spurts, and new developmental milestones conspire to make them more needful at night.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:30 AM
    Welcome to the forum! I hope your adoption journey is a successful and happy one. Since you're thinking of starting to pump soon, let's talk pumps and frequency! What sort of pump do you have and how often are you planning to use it? Are you considering using drugs to jump start lactation?
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 05:36 AM
    I agree with the PP Suddenly cutting out all bottles and only breastfeeding seems a bit premature and probably not safe for baby or maybe even you until you can confirm that baby is ABLE to get enough milk by breastfeeding and that your supply is enough. I would quit trying to "fill up" before breastfeeding. Nursing at every feeding is going to be better for your supply. What pump are you using? how much do you get at each pumping session? How long do you pump at each session? Are you doing massage, compressions and hand expression as well? Doing the feed/supplement/pump at most if not all feedings is going to be exhausting so you may not be able to keep it up for long but if you can manage it for three days, you may well see an increase in your supply. And if Daddy can handle the bottles while you pump it will be a little better. Or if you can manage to use the SNS it will save a step. Then hopefully if you are able to do the nurse/supplement/pump thing for a while and get to the point where you can pump enough to fill all the bottles, then you might be able to start reducing the amount of bottles and just let baby nurse more while you reduce the pumping sessions. The Idea of a nursing vacation to increase supply is generally geared for working moms who are having trouble keeping up with their supply while pumping at work and since baby is generally better at removing milk, having baby nurse lots over a long weekend can often boost supply back up since...
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Today, 03:56 AM
    One website that I and others have found helpful in understanding normal infant sleep behaviors is the blog Evolutionary Parenting. This particular set of articles was written with a few coauthors, and was dually published in psychologytoday. Here is a link to the first article, and I'm pretty sure links to the next are at the bottom: http://evolutionaryparenting.com/normal-infant-sleep-part-i/ In terms of 'when do babies...' and particularly in re sleep, I think there might just be way too much variation in between kiddos and circumstances to say. For what it's worth (and I think comparisons in this arena are unfortunately not worth much!), my baby started having one 4-5 hour stretch somewhere around 3-4 months. This has not stayed constant, with there being a RARE allthewaythrough, and much more frequent upmorefrequently's. What has worked for me was just trying to roll with it... Best of luck, mama!
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  • @llli*seattlemama's Avatar
    Today, 03:06 AM
    My 9.5mo boy has been very distractible since about 4-5mo and has gotten worse - I get it, all new milestones makes them that way. My problem is that nursing him has been a constant challenge since then and keeps getting harder. It became harder to nurse him without getting distracted and so I made his room darker and boring while nursing. It was still hard to nurse him without playing latch on latch off during the day and slowly he reduced the amount of time he would stay latched. Ok, I get that they get more and more efficient at nursing, but latching for just 2-3 min only at times? I mean c'mon how much could you be getting in that much?. Then a point came when he would only nurse before naps and during midnight wake-ups. And I learned to be ok with that as I'm a sahm. But now he's not giving me that either! He sometimes wakes up in the middle of the night and I wake up to go nurse him, and guess what - he doesn't want it! He just plays around and falls back to sleep sometimes after an hour or two, and then I have to wait till he wakes up again so I can feed him. And if he wakes up in the morning after that, then he doesn't want it either, or might take for just a short session! I'm losing it here, as I passionately want to breastfeed him for a long term, and this way its stressing me out. I mean every nursing session, I'm crossing my fingers that he stays latched on, and then I'm stresses as I never know when his next nursing session would be. He's not on a lot of solids...
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  • @llli*nursingmama1020's Avatar
    Today, 02:15 AM
    Thank you so much for all of the advice! I will look into safe co sleeping for sure!
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  • @llli*lvander's Avatar
    Today, 01:24 AM
    As of right now, she's in a cosleeper right next to our bed. I usually pull her into bed when she wakes at 4-5am and doesn't want to go back in her cosleeper. She'll sleep in my bed with me till about 8:30am so that's nice. I dont mind feeding her that often if that's normal for a three month old. When she was younger she would sleep for a 5 hour stretch at night. When do they usually go a little longer?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 01:18 AM
    This is normal sleep cycle for a three month old. If you are not bedsharing, is that something you would feel comfortable considering? Make sure you know the issues of safety. See: http://www.llli.org/sweetsleepbook/thesafesleepseven and http://www.llli.org/docs/0000000000001Tear_offs/bedsharing_quickstart.pdf and http://www.llli.org/sweetsleepbook/tearsheets and the book Sweet Sleep for more info. Other ideas for getting more sleep: Nap when baby naps. If you have someone else there at night, ask them to take baby once or twice overnight to see if baby will settle without nursing. Even if baby will not, them being comforted for a bit by someone else may get you a slightly longer sleep stretch.
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  • @llli*lvander's Avatar
    Today, 01:09 AM
    I nurse my 3mo(15 weeks) on demand all day. I am ebf and rarely use bm bottles unless leaving her with my parents. She eats every two hours for about 5 minutes at a time. My question is.. Is there anyway to get her to sleep longer hours at night? She goes to sleep around 830-9 and wakes up every three hours to eat. Again, she's very quick to eat and goes right back to sleep but once I'm up, its difficult to go back to sleep knowing she'll be back up in a few hours. TIA
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 01:05 AM
    I think the problem is the idea of suddenly stopping all bottles (and pumping?) You do not mention how much (ounces) baby is supplemented currently, but based on that schedule it appears baby is at least half supplemented if not more? If this is all with your own breastmilk that you pump in a day, then the nursing vacation ideas MIGHT be fine, assuming baby is capable of nursing normally at this point. But you don't really know that...if you see a lactation consultant and she does a weighted feed (or a couple) and sees nothing wrong with baby's ability to latch and nurse effectively, that would be more reassurance about this. Until you can see the IBCLC, maybe take things more gradually, starting with nursing ONLY (no pumping or bottles, just nursing) for some of the feedings. I would also suggest, aside from adding additional meals that are "nursing only" sessions, nurse every time baby feeds even if baby is also getting some milk in a bottle and/or you also pump. Paced bottle feeding with proper positioning and pauses is VITAL as over supplementing is death to breastfeeding success, so go over it again with your husband. Also, maybe rather than waiting to fill up before nursing sessions, try breast compressions and switching sides frequently to keep baby more actively nursing. For optimal milk production, you want to have milk extracted from the breasts as frequently as possible.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 12:43 AM
    As far as: I don't know the answer to this. I DO think you without a doubt have some overproduction and forceful letdown going on. But need you DO anything about it, even if the blood in stool IS caused by baby getting an abundance of foremilk? I don't really think so. As pp says, your production should begin to calm down on its own soon assuming you are not overpumping. I do think you and your baby will be happier while actually nursing if you keep doing things that seem to help calm down the fast letdown- and what seems to work best for that, typically, IS to nurse more often, let baby take one side at a time if baby prefers, nurse sidelying or laid back or in any position you can figure out where you are letting gravity hold back the flow a bit... and (when needed only) hand express a little milk before offering the breast and/or take baby off the breast right at letdown to help baby avoid the fastest flow.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 12:30 AM
    Your baby is healthy and gaining. So the blood in the stool is almost certainly not a sign of a severe medical issue and is in no way a reason to stop nursing!= or give your baby anything besides your milk (although one study suggests probiotics may help.) You are only a few days into the dairy elimination. Since the ONLY sign of any issue that is not entirely explained by overproduction and forceful letdown is the bloody stool, I would suggest, keep up the dairy elimination for at least two weeks total before eliminating anything else- and put dairy BACK in your diet before eliminating anything else! Also, be aware that even if they DO stop, that does not prove the blood was caused by dairy or anything else you eat! From Breastfeeding Answers Made Simple, lactation textbook, Nancy Mohrbacher, 2010. On bloody stool: "If a baby has bloody stools and eliminating dairy from the mother's diet does not resolve them, they will most likely clear in time with continued breastfeeding." p. 520 (Italics mine) After description of a study of both breast and formula fed infants with bloody stool the results of which are too complicated to explain here:
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  • @llli*ciantarah's Avatar
    Today, 12:14 AM
    Thank you ladies SO MUCH for reading my ridiculously long post and replying! OK, so yes... I feed DD right before and after work (or as close as I can come), but I'm gone a total of 10 1/2 hours with my commute and the extra time I have to stay to make up for pumping. At work, I pump the first time at 11:30, again at 3 and then again at 5:30. At 11:30 I get about 5-6 oz from each breast, at 3 and 5:30 I get 2-3 oz from each breast, but I'm pumping for 10-15 mins max for 2 of the 3 sessions, maybe 20-25 max at 3. I could get more, especially during the first session. (My work is pretty strict on scheduling.) I'm pretty sure DD can get more out of me than that, too... part of the problem, I think, is that I have a lot of storage capacity. If it's been a few hours, there's just a lot there. Feeding more often may be part of the solution, at least on the weekends, but would that increase my supply? I think I had a little bit of a breakthrough today -- I was always BFing on a recliner and I think maybe the positions I was taking there, no matter how much I was trying to keep DD more vertical to prevent spit-up, were actually causing more spit-up because of the way she was curled around/under my breast and sort of propped up on the recliner arm. I tried today with a boppy pillow and nursing stool on our couch and things went much better. I got her to take the nipple without the nipple shield, even! I also followed the suggestion about letting the milk spray into a...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:11 PM
    I agree with pp. The point of paced feeding is it give baby control- if baby wants milk "faster" baby can indicate that and pauses can be shorter if that is what baby wants. but trying to mimic how milk actually flows from mom's breast when baby nurses, is probably impossible as well as totally unneeded. The physiology of bottles and breast are so utterly different, it is impossible to replicate really, so the issue is more about allowing baby to control the feeding-amount of milk and "pace" of the feeding, more like baby does at the breast- even if mom has fast letdown, baby has more control over how much milk comes at once than when a baby is fed bottles in the "traditional" prone position.
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  • @llli*alphawoman's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:01 PM
    And just like that, as if in the blink of an eye, DS and I have been nursing for 3 years! :D My little lactivore is, by my calculations, only just in the last 2 or 3 months getting a little over half of his nutrition from fresh, mostly organic, whole foods. For anyone nursing a child who refuses to eat, this is my sweet boy who effectively only nursed until 2.25. The transition to solids will happen on your child's time. I managed to fill in his nutrition with a perfect food I make in my own body (that's a superpower, if you ask me!) thanks to domperidone from 13 months until the transition began in earnest. We now nurse anywhere from (I'd hazard) 6 to 8 times per day, sometimes as many as 10 times, with a few feeds overnight for good measure. DS has yet to STTN. Tonight, before going to bed, DS hugged my breasts and said, "I love you boobs!" I feel incredibly proud and empowered when I look at my amazing 3 year old (!) son because: A) I see a thriving, happy boy
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  • @llli*tomzgirl's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:31 PM
    Hi, there! I'm reaching out to see if there are any like-minded gals on this page. I've never been pregnant, but we are hoping to adopt a newborn soon, and I want to BF. I've read encouraging things about adoptive moms having success with induced lactation, so I plan to start pumping soon and see what happens. I'd be grateful for any advice, support and/or experiences you've had to help me on this journey!
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  • @llli*liz.g.autry's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:42 PM
    My pumping/feeding schedule is as follows: 3am - breastfeed and bottle-feed, then pump at about 3:30pm 6am - Daddy gets up and bottle-feeds her 8am - breastfeed, then hand off to Daddy to bottle-feed while I pump 9:30am - pump, then bottle-feed at 10am Noon - breastfeed and bottle-feed, then pump at 12:30pm 1:30pm - pump, then bottle-feed at 2pm 4pm - breastfeed and bottle-feed, then pump at 4:30 6pm - Daddy bottle-feeds while I pump
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:55 PM
    Tclynx obviously has better reading comprehension than I do! ;) 20 oz in just 3 pump sessions is a lot of milk. Average daily intake for a breastfed baby, per the reliable kellymom.com, is 19-30 oz, and that would generally be spread out over 8-12 nursing sessions per day. You're getting 20 oz in just 3 sessions, maybe 6-8 hours of separation? Definitely suggestive of oversupply.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:51 PM
    :ita Such a good question! Most people would say that weaning should start at 12 months, not be complete by 12 months. Of course, there's ideal and then there's life, so you do what you have to! If you choose to wean, start by eliminating a single feeding and replacing it with a bottle. Wait a few days, allowing your supply to adjust to the new, lower level of demand, and then cut out a second feeding and replace it with a bottle. Continue until all unwanted sessions are gone. As you wean, enlist lots of help from friends and family. A happily nursing baby doesn't understand why her mama is suddenly denying her the breast, and that can lead to a lot of upset and tears. Being able to hand baby off to grandma or daddy can really help when baby wants the breast and mom doesn't feel like she can offer it.
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  • @llli*m11612's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:48 PM
    I had over active letdown and oversupply so my lo was used to fast milk, but we stuck with slow flow bottled. I think this was ultimately more breastfeeding supportive. In part, this was because my mother in law found it easier to actually do paced bottle feeding and control the flow with the slow flow bottles. It seemed to cause less confusion for baby too. One time a nipple sort of wore out and became faster flow without us realizing and it was not good. Thankfully we figured it out quickly and tossed the nipple.
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