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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 05:23 PM
    From what I am gathering, this problematic milk was milk that had been in the freezer quite a while, right? Before you assume anything, you might want to defrost and try a more recent sample. If it appears lipase is a continuing issue for you, even for milk frozen only a short time, then of course it is a gamble to not scald your freshly pumped milk. Baby may take it and baby may not. There is no guarantee. I would not want to have to go through the trouble of scalding my milk either, so I guess you just have to think about how you will feel if baby ends up not taking the milk you pumped after discovering the problem. I would also totally agree with mamawin about maybe giving pumping a break. How much milk your baby will need during the daily work separation is not knowable, as this can vary and will also depend on how much baby nurses when you are home. one ounce per hour is just a ballpark based on the idea that there are 24 hours in the day, and babies typically need an average of about 24 ounces total a day. But you are right, an older baby who is eating solids may well not need that much. It is just very unknowable. I am unclear on how much of your expressed milk baby is getting each day? Mothers who have low milk production are mothers who cannot exclusively breastfeed their babies (must supplement) because there is not enough milk for baby, neither when baby nurses nor when mom pumps. A mother who is able to pump EXTRA milk, milk that can go into the...
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  • @llli*dormir41's Avatar
    Today, 05:22 PM
    So someone with lots more knowledge than me will post soon, I'm sure. In the meantime, check out this post:http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?112069-Think-your-baby-is-nursing-too-much-Read-this! & how do you know if she's hungry? Learn her hunger cues. Mouth moving, hands to mouth, etc. I wish I'd known to ignore the time frames they gave me . . . They are the maximum times to go between feeds and lots of babies nurse more often and what seems like all the time. You may or may not have low storage capacity (can breast shape really tell an LC that? I have no idea!), but nursing constantly is one way newborns help increase mom's supply regardless. Find a comfortable spot with water, food, and something to read or watch as you'll be there a while. And the two hours starts at the start of the nursing session. Weight, poopy diapers, and pee is how you know she's gaining. I'm wondering if her weight was artificially inflated due to all the fluid in the nicu . .. something someone with more experience can speak to. You sound like you're doing great. It's all confusing and tiring, so I'm glad you're asking now so you can get support! :-)
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  • @llli*mamawin's Avatar
    Today, 04:57 PM
    This is how much you pump in addition to exclusively nursing your baby, right? If so, that's GREAT output! And, you can rest assured that when you pump instead of nursing, you will get even more. What about giving the pumping a rest right now? I know that for me, pumping just causes stress as I hate doing it and seeing my output makes me question if baby is getting enough. Same for you? If so, and if relieving one facet of stress (like pumping) will help you keep nursing, then I say go for it.
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  • @llli*dormir41's Avatar
    Today, 04:48 PM
    You're welcome. Glad you have some support! :-) So I know nothing about lipase, but I did a quick search on here and it seems some moms have mixed their milk with cereal or whatever to hide the taste . . . And tested how long it took to get the taste. You could try that? If not, apparently you can donate it. Hopefully someone who knows what they are talking about will chime in. In the meantime, here are a few of the threads I found http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?121959-1000-ounces-of-frozen-breastmilk-all-sour-PLEASE-help!&highlight=lipase http://forums.llli.org/showthread.php?122644-Back-to-work-at-11-months-milk-issues&highlight=lipase
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  • @llli*umg's Avatar
    Today, 04:03 PM
    Thank you so much for your words. I really needed them. It's true that sometimes I just need to be listened to, and while I can and do talk to family, I feel like I keep talking about this and don't want to burden them every day with my stuff. The idiot comment was because I feel like if, eventually, the baby stops drinking the metallic tasting milk it would have been a waste to have all that milk frozen if she won't take it. Regarding the stash I do need kind of a stash since I don't pump much, so when I go back to work I won't be able to pump enough for the 12 hours we'll be apart. I read somewhere that she should take an ounce for every hour apart. I don't know if this is true when a baby eats solids as well. But if that's the case, I can't pump 12oz a day, I get around 2.5oz when I pump in the mornings and much less when I pump in the afternoons. I really am committed to giving my children the best (not only nutritionally) so I plan to continue breastfeeding for as long as I'm able to. I'll see what to do about the lipase and my frozen milk. Hopefully she will continue to take it. I don't know if I'll try scalding the milk I pump from now on or if I should continue just freezing it hoping that she takes it. Any advice on this? Thanks again! :)
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 03:36 PM
    Can you post a complete weight history? Different charts will give different percentiles, so if you can provide pounds and oz or kilogram measurements, that would be best. It would also be helpful to know the following: - How much milk baby is getting at daycare - How much you pump over the course of the average day - How many times you pump - What make/model of pump you are using - How many times baby nurses during the time you are together - Whether or not baby has always been weighed properly- which means in the nude or in a dry díaper, using the same scale each time
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  • @llli*freddybee's Avatar
    Today, 03:33 PM
    I need some help. My 3 week old baby girl never seems to be satisfied no matter how long I nurse her. She was born weighing 8.6 and we had some problems at the hospital. She was put under the phototherapy light the day after she was born for bilirubin level of 7 which then peaked at 9. Baby hated every moment of it and screamed throughout. Of course, nursing after that didn't work. So then the next morning, I'm told she has a fever of 101.4 and was taken into the NICU, where she was immediately put on IV fluids and antibiotics. She was discharged 2 days later. At 2 weeks she weighed 7.10 and then 2 days later still 7.10 I've been feeling like no matter how long I nurse- she always cries when I take her off. She might be content for 30 minutes tops. Even if I've nursed her for 2 hours. She has plenty of nice poops, so why the weight loss?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 03:28 PM
    :ita Excellent questions from MaddieB.
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  • @llli*dormir41's Avatar
    Today, 03:23 PM
    I don't have any advice, really. I just want to say that it sounds like you've gone through a lot to get to where you are now, and you sound like a loving mom. You are doing what you need to do to feed your baby, and that's wonderful. Ebf, supplementing, and/or feeding formula is your decision and is based on what you feel is best for you and your child. You have gone through a lot, and in reading this forum, I see lots of these issues. You aren't alone, and it also seems to me that every baby is different, so what your son did doesn't necessarily apply to your daughter unfortunately. That said, if you want to continue ebf, try day by day, maybe even hour by hour. If you have to supplement, you have to supplement. You could always give her the freezer stash first-good for you for thinking ahead!-then formula if you want.Or you could just do formula. I trust you know best for your child. Regardless if you are depressed or not, it helps to have support and things you can do for yourself. Do you have a group you can attend? A friend who can visit or call? Family you can talk with? Some days you need a hug or a friendly face. Or, just a chance to get out in the sunshine.
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  • @llli*azmommie's Avatar
    Today, 03:05 PM
    Hi! Thank you so much for responding! I arrived at the portion size per her needs. I would feed her 3oz and then she would want more so I would do the additional 1/2 oz or oz. She eats on averagel 6x per day. She dictates when and how much she eats as she's with my grandmother right now and will be starting daycare at 6 months. I use low-flow nipples (Dr. Brown's Bottle with a level 1 nipple - we tried level 2 and she's not enjoying it). I would like to get her to nurse more from me, but she doesn't want to, it's usually a struggle and within an hour she's hungry again. Thank you for all your help and for listening!
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  • @llli*azmommie's Avatar
    Today, 03:01 PM
    Hi! Thank you so much for the link to watch on bottle feeding techniques. I want to ensure that I have enough pumped so that if in that feeding she decides she wants to have 4.5oz because maybe she's hungrier that I have enough for her. I rather her not finish an oz than want another oz and my caregiver doesn't have it to give. I would like to help bring my daughter back to breastfeeding more. She doesn't want to nurse, she pulls off, sometimes cries, and usually is hungry an hour later meaning she didn't get enough during that feeding. I go with the bottle as I know how much she's getting and it's a more enjoyable experience for both of us.
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  • @llli*mamawin's Avatar
    Today, 02:58 PM
    My DD is almost 11 months old and we also struggled with many issues, including low weight gain from 0 to 6 months. It was THE MOST STRESSFUL thing I have ever been through. I can totally empathize with you. I wouldn't worry about this at all. The focus is on getting milk into baby. If she'll take one more feeding, then it doesn't matter that you aren't pumping as much. You really don't need a huge freezer stash for when you go back to work. You just need enough to get you through the first day and then you'll pump at work what she needs for the next day. Again, I can really relate to this feeling. The only advice I can give is what I did, which is to just take it one day, one feeding at a time. Lots of deep breaths and lots of positive self-talk..."it won't always be this way. I won't always be her only source of nutrition. I am doing the very best I can."
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  • @llli*azmommie's Avatar
    Today, 02:39 PM
    Hi, Thank you for the response! I have opportunities to nurse her when I get home from work, before she goes to sleep and in the morning before I take her to my family. I don't nurse her at those times because she doesn't nurse well anymore. She latches on for a few drinks and then unlatches and doesn't end up eating much. With my pumped milk, I know that she gets a certain amount and will sleep through the night or won't be hungry an hour later because of the way she eats from me. I wish she would nurse off of me. But it seems as we started using the bottle for her, she stopped nursing well. We didn't introduce the bottle to her until she was 8 weeks to in hopes that she wouldn't have that issue. Any suggestions on how to bring her back to want to nurse? I will change up the amount and see how she does. I only feed her that amount because I have done less and then needed to top off with another oz as she was crying that she was hungry. When I pump, I hope to pump for the max amount that she might want. I worry that if I pump out 3 oz that she will want 4.5 and now I'm short 1.5. Thank you for all your suggestions!
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 02:24 PM
    How many times in 24 hours does baby nurse, and does she usually nurse on one side or both? Are you pumping? And how fast is baby gaining now, according to the last two weight checks, and when were they? (Forget curves- I mean, how many ounces gained in such and such days) Are you taking any galactagogues- nursing teas and the like? was breastfeeding assessed by a lactation consultant recently? Overproduction usually starts calming down sometime between 6 and 12 weeks. (Usually) because while it makes sense for mom to make a little more than needed in the early weeks, as soon as possible, your body wants to make 'enough" but not too much, and begins to adjust accordingly. If you are seeing the situation worsen, I would wonder if there may be some reason you are seeing that.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 02:18 PM
    Pain in the breast after nursing has a couple possible causes, and these might be related to a shallow latch. When there is a lot of milk coming at once, babies tend to clamp. If the breast is more swollen with milk, it makes it harder for baby to get a comfortable latch. So these are reasons nursing more often may improve latch. Another possibility is the pain is the result of milk being in the breast, looking for an exit, that is not being extracted due to baby getting plenty of milk quickly. This is fairly common if mom has overproduction. Again, nursing more often may help with this. I am wondering- if you still have problematic overproduction at 3 months if you want to consider doing some longer blocks of block nursing in order to reduce your milk production. Some moms find they need to "block" each side for many hours- up to 12! IN order to effectively reduce production. And some moms need to do something called "Full Drainage and Block Nursing" where mom pumps to "empty" the breasts once, and then commences block nursing, pumping again if needed, but no more than once a day. But when doing this, baby nurses frequently- just on one side only for 2 or more feedings in a row. These are extreme measures, I am not suggesting you do them, I am just offering this information in case you want to research it further. The point of doing these things would be to reduce your milk production, so you want to be very sure that is necessary. There are of course many...
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  • @llli*ruchiccio's Avatar
    Today, 01:51 PM
    I agree with mamawin about putting your baby to sleep AWAKE rather than nursing to sleep. This way your baby can learn how to fall asleep on his own and keep using this technique after each sleep cycle. We as adults also go through many cycles each night and have brief awakenings, but we know how to fall asleep so we just naturally do it. Babies learn that too, but you have to allow them the chance to learn it. Nursing to sleep doesn't work forever, as you saw, so try nursing until just about to fall asleep and then put your baby into his bed/crib while awake.
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  • @llli*littlecavemomma's Avatar
    Today, 01:40 PM
    Does he arch his back also? Mine started the same thing around that age. I would pick her up and burp her and usually she would produce one very large burp. We might go thru that cycle 3 or 4 times before she got settled. I also found sometimes she was getting distracted, so even though she was clearly eager to eat, she didn't want to. Moving to a dimly lit, quiet room helped for that.
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  • @llli*mamaoflittleroo's Avatar
    Today, 01:40 PM
    I am no expert, but It sounds like you have over supply. Try reading articles on it and about block feeding. Fore milk hind milk imbalance would explain a lot as well (spitting up, hunger, green poops). Finishing one breast is important, it will give higher fat milk and make baby feel fuller.
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  • @llli*ruchiccio's Avatar
    Today, 01:36 PM
    My baby wasn't the most efficient nurser on the block either. He had a tongue tie which only got resolved later at about 5 months of age. I never felt "empty" after he nursed, nor "full" if he didn't nurse... (if that means anything).
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  • @llli*bfwmomof3's Avatar
    Today, 01:18 PM
    It's possible he could go on a strike, in which case, treat it as a strike and use back-to-breast techniques to prevent a strike from turning into weaning. I've been on many work trips of similar duration, and my babies were always super-eager to nurse when I got back, in fact they nursed even more than usual. Alternatively, is there a possibility of taking your son with you? That way you don't have to pump, or worry about a strike! I had a couple times where I was able to do this and it was really nice, but of course may not always be feasible. How much to pump I think varies from mom to mom. Whatever it takes to stay comfortable. It sounds like you are still pumping and/or nursing frequently, so my guess is that you will have to do a fair amount of pumping to maintain comfort.
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  • @llli*ataylor95's Avatar
    Today, 01:15 PM
    Oh and worth mentiong too, that until now her weight gain was amazing, born at 5lb 11oz, and only ever lost 1oz, and gained hugely, until the sick became more and more. I also have a very painful stinging letdown, and actually have a running joke with a friend how many breast pads i can trial out to trt and find the right ones to actually absorb my letdown! she also does have green tinted stools. Thanks again!
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  • @llli*bfwmomof3's Avatar
    Today, 01:12 PM
    Agree with bsua65, baby won't drink bad milk. According to the storage guidelines from LLL and Kelly Mom, milk in a cooler with ice packs is good for 24 hours, so you should be fine. https://www.llli.org/docs/0000000000000001WAB/WAB_Tear_sheet_Toolkit/21_storingmilk.pdf http://kellymom.com/bf/pumpingmoms/milkstorage/milkstorage/
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  • @llli*bfwmomof3's Avatar
    Today, 01:03 PM
    Agree with PPs. Your pump output is normal. At the breast baby will get one or two or three, or perhaps at the most four ounces, in a nursing session. So that is how much you are pumping, right on target. On the other hand, she is being given bottles that are larger than that, so there's a mismatch. Try to get her down to a 3 oz bottle, with 1 oz "toppers," preferably frozen, if absolutely needed. (If they're frozen, caregiver has to take time to thaw them.) Keep in mind that just because baby WILL drink a larger bottle, does not mean she NEEDS a larger bottle. The problem with this is, not only does it make it harder to keep up, but also baby will not nurse as much when you're together. The best way to deal with fast flow is to use a laid-back nursing position, here are some ideas, adjust as is comfortable: https://www.llli.org/docs/0000000000000001WAB/WAB_Tear_sheet_Toolkit/01_laid_back_breastfeeding.pdf http://www.nancymohrbacher.com/blog/2010/10/11/some-ins-and-outs-of-laid-back-breastfeeding.html More on paced feeding: https://www.llli.org/docs/0000000000000001WAB/WAB_Tear_sheet_Toolkit/22_bfabreastfedbaby.pdf http://kellymom.com/bf/pumpingmoms/feeding-tools/bottle-feeding/
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  • @llli*ataylor95's Avatar
    Today, 12:55 PM
    Hello lovely ladies, I'm new here on reccomendation of a close friend who thought you could be of some help to my situation. I gave birth to my beautiful baby girl on 25/02/2015 so is currently 8 weeks tomorrow. She latches like a champ, and all is well in that sence, no tounge tie, no lip tie etc etc. However, myself on the other hand. Is a different story! Here is how it goes, she latches, suckles for a few moments and then starts gulping and then unlatches with a high pitched squeal and then my milk shoots across the room, it eventually dies down enough for her to re latch and continue feeding, still clicking and gulping but managable. However as time goes on she is getting worse and worse in terms of sickness after a feed, she projectile vomits everywhere various times a day and wants to no be fed all the time (she wasnt even this bad as a newborn!) As its a vicous cycle of feeding, sick, and feeding more as she has just been sick. we have been to the doctors and is currently on gavascon, however that doesnt seem to help. Oh she is also very very gassy and gets hiccups alot. We have tried uphill feeding, as well as laid back feeding. We have also tried block feeding two feeds on one breast and then alternating to no avail. we have even tried burping at several intervals during a feed and still no joy.
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  • @llli*bfwmomof3's Avatar
    Today, 12:55 PM
    That sounds like a good plan. Even if your pump output doesn't go back up, if you are able to get the milk intake down you're fine! I actually think ruchiccio's philosophy of never taking more than 1 or 2 oz of the fridge is great. ruchiccio, that's interesting that you actually have more output when pumping - for me I was always fullest on Mondays after a weekend of nursing, and one time when I came back from a weeklong trip with baby I was even fuller! But I guess if you are effectively slightly overstimulating with pumping it makes sense. You're getting really close to that magical one-year mark filmmommy!
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  • @llli*midnightsangel's Avatar
    Today, 12:53 PM
    How big are the bottles at daycare? Do you know if they are using the paced bottle feeding method? I ask because if she's over fed at daycare she might not be hungry when at the breast and then you might be behind in pumping because she's getting to much.
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