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  • @llli*jennaps's Avatar
    Today, 11:34 AM
    Hi Mamas, I am new here and glad to have found you! My 10 week old girl was born with a moderate tongue tie which made nursing really painful, so we had a frenectomy done when she was 9 days old. Nursing felt better after, but she was gaining so slowly and crying all the time, so we started introducing the bottle with pumped milk when she was 3-4 weeks (also some formula) per the pediatrician. This was a really hard and emotional time for us and my husband wanted me to stop BFing and go to the bottle full time since he thought she was starving. It broke my heart. I also noticed that my milk supply was low and then she started refusing to nurse (the lactation consultant said she had nipple confusion). I still try to get her to latch when she is sleepy and her belly is almost full. She sometimes cries when I do this and sometimes she just seems to be uninterested. Once or twice she has latched well and sucked for a minute or two. I started Domperidone last week to get my supply up as well. Since I go back to work in just over a week, I know I can't EBF, but I would love to even have her nurse for comfort since I want that bond with her. Is there any hope? Suggestions? Stories? Thanks so much! You all rock!
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  • @llli*reena's Avatar
    Today, 11:22 AM
    So, I'm coming back to say, each time this happens I really freak out and wonder if things will never go back to normal. Well, last time they DID go back to normal. I woke up on day 6 with fullness. Things have been normal again since. I can only guess that my body is TRYING to menstruate, but the meds are suppressing bleeding. It is a theory, but it seems to happen every month. I guess I am expecting it to happen again in a week or so. If I was able to bleed, I would just chill and accept that sometimes supply is low during that phase of the cycle. I am taking 2 pills in the morning, 1.5 in the afternoon and 1.5 at night. By the end of the month I will be down to 3 pills a day! Oh, how I want my body to menstruate again. Not that I want to get pregnant, but just because I will know hormonally, things are OK. If I continue to lactate and menstruate, I will know my prolactin levels have decreased to a lower baseline that supports later lactation.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 10:51 AM
    Sips of moms smoothy or shake is of course fine. I was just saying that if your concern is that nursing is reducing too much, one factor may be that your child is filling up to much or too often on these. Remember your child has a tiny tummy even now and it does not take much to fill it. If a child is full or their thirst is quenched elsewhere, they are going to be less likely to nurse for hunger or thirst. They may nurse just as much for comfort, it depends on the child. Sometimes a child will reduce number of sessions rapidly. This may or may not be temporary. Again it never hurts to offer, and remember a child nurses for hunger, thirst, comfort, and connection, and all are important and normal reasons to nurse. So far what you describe does not sound out of the ordinary to me.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 10:46 AM
    Ugh no! The typical (as in biologically normal, looking at history, weaning age for other mammals and other indicators) age of weaning is two years, or older. IN other words, kids with teeth, even a full mouth of teeth, nurse perfectly comfortably for mom. Do some kids bite? Yes. Does teeth rubbing sometimes occur? Yes. Sometimes. It is a nursing issue like any other nursing issue and is usually solvable. If your child currently has an uncomfortable latch or is clamping, that is the problem to be thinking about right now, not what may or may not happen after teeth erupt.
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  • @llli*girlstar28's Avatar
    Today, 10:20 AM
    Thank you for the warm welcome. I'm not sure about swaddling her because I keep being told to skin to skin her to feed. When she fights me she's pushing her head backwards away from the breast which is hard to latch her on. Sadly I don't think I can move the appointment up :( Monday is a holiday here in Canada and I was on the waitlist for earlier appointments but haven't received a call :( Does fixing tongue tie often help with shallow latches? I shouldn't be feeling any contact with her mouth or tongue (I'm not sure which it is) making contact with my nipple right? Even though she's over the areola? Also, is this normal with fussing or a sign or something else? She'll be latched on the breast, suck suck suck suck, I don't see swallows and then she's crying and fussing on the breast and making lots of unhappy noise. I thought it could be a flow/supply issue but I'm able to pump volumes of 50 mL (usually after a feed) - 100 mL (I pumped 100 mL last night when she was on a bottle of pumped milk) Oh yes and one more thing, mainly when my breasts feel fuller, there is milk spilling out the lower side of her mouth (the part closest to the floor). Is this a suction issue or just too much flow?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 09:34 AM
    This is certainly a concern. Luckily, there is lots you can do, These are the things that are going to increase the likelihood baby eventually refuses to nurse due to bottles: *Baby not being allowed/encouraged to nurse as much as baby likes, (within reason given time management issues when also pumping and supplementing) *The longer the bottles are given *The more bottles that are given *The larger the size bottles are given *and the way bottles are given. If you limit bottles to only the frequency and size that is absolutely needed to get baby gaining normally, and encourage baby to nurse as much as baby likes when you are together, and bottles are given properly using paced feeding as suggested by midnightsangel, the less impactful bottle use is likely to be.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 09:10 AM
    Well. If you make enough milk overall, which I am still not clear on, and your baby extracts milk well even after you pump (and I guess you know this from doing a before and after nursing weight check?) and pumping less often but for longer does nothing to improve output, Then I think you have to assume the pump is simply not working for you. You can try adding hand expression and/or breast compressions, but I would also suggest trying another pump. Have you ever tried a rental hospital grade pump? One thing is that if you are pumping every hour, then output per pump session is going to be less than if you pump less often...and an ounce total would be about right. But your overall output should be around the same, if that makes sense. Yes you want to remove milk frequently, but the potential problem with pumping so very frequently is that pumping can cause issues of tissue inflammation around the areola and nipple. This might actually cause pump injury and might even cause the milk to not extract as well as otherwise, I would think, due to swelling and edema. Pumps work totally differently than babies in this sense, so a baby nursing every hour is not a problem but pumping that often MIGHT be. But going back to weight gain, I am confused on if you are making enough milk now...is baby still supplemented? How is weight gain now? at what time was it ascertained baby can transfer 3 ounces at a time and was this based on one before and after nursing weight check? That is...
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  • @llli*midnightsangel's Avatar
    Today, 08:25 AM
    Make sure you practice paced bottle feeding. This keeps the pace and flow of the bottle sessions similar to nursing sessions. She still has to work for milk like she would if she was nursing. You can also try open cup feeding or an SNS for when you're home.
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  • @llli*deborah.barrientes's Avatar
    Today, 08:19 AM
    That actually does help! I figured nursing a baby with teeth entailed having their teeth scrape on your nipple the whole time. I know she'll bite me, but I should be able to tell when she's about to. I have a feeling I will be telling her "No!" and setting her down a lot. :-) She's got quite the personality. :-D
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  • @llli*ahopefulmother's Avatar
    Today, 08:07 AM
    Good morning, I gave birth to my first child 7 weeks ago with a midwife in my own home. The pregnancy and birth went superbly well. My baby girl latched onto my breast just moments after she was born. I spent 3 weeks at home with her before I had to head back to work. She weighed 6 pounds 10 oz when she was born. She went down to 6.1 the next week and then back up to her birth weight the week after that. at 5 weeks she weighed 6.11 and our midwife was concerned that she wasn't gaining fast enough. We met with a lactation consultant to whom I explained that my baby was latched onto me most of the day while I'm home but I was only able to pump out about 6 oz for her to take while I was at work for 9 hours every day (ie. Not enough!). She had me change my pumping routine from pumping once every hour at work (and yielding less than half an oz out of each breast... equaling less than an oz total per hourly session) to pumping once every two hours at work. I followed her recommendation and started taking Malunggay supplements but I saw no improvement in the milk output. We saw a pediatrician a few days after that and he too was concerned about her weight. She weighed 7.1 at week 6 and the exact same amount a week later (earlier this week). We will be taking her to a weigh in with the pediatrician today (3 days after her most recent visit when she weighed 7.1) to see if she's gained any. During our last visit our pediatrician asked us to supplement with formula. It broke my...
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  • @llli*findmeintahiti's Avatar
    Today, 07:39 AM
    He was born 6lb 12 down to 6lb 5 and increased since. he was almost 13 lbs in August. I am home with him and feed him on demand. he feeds at least every 2 hours or sooner during the day and never sleeps through the night- longest stretch has maybe been 3 hours and we co-sleep. I am not pregnant and use iud. I will keep switching breasts and he sits at the breast and then get frustrated he cries and screams- pulls on breast hits breast- I can tell he's waiting and I think it's terrible to make him power through wanting milk because I don't have enough for him.
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  • @llli*alba.menara's Avatar
    Today, 06:58 AM
    Hola a todas! Como bien comentáis, amamantar en público, sobretodo si hablamos de una gran ciudad, a veces es mal visto por la gente (si, hay de todo). Pero esto, se nota especialmente si además estamos en algun lugar interior,ya sea un restaurante, bar, por no hablar de otros entornos dónde es completamente combinar a nuestro niño, con amamantarlo, como puede una oficina por ejemplo. Acabamo de pasar un fin de semana en una casa rural en cataluña (España), podéis ver algunas casas aqui: http://www.somrurals.com/es/. Quizás os suena más la zona de Barcelona http://www.somrurals.com/es/casas-rurales/barcelona Y es el lugar perfecto para disfrutar como madre, en un entorno de naturaleza, con los tuyos en un lugar tranquilo y retirado.
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  • @llli*zniela's Avatar
    Today, 06:54 AM
    Update! We had an appt yesterday and she has gained 5.5 oz in ~6 days. That is "normal" weight-gain, but we were really hoping for some over-and-above gain so she could start catching back up. So, really good, but could be better. No blood in the stool, so unlikely that its any sort of allergy or intolerance (yay! This momma is having some ice cream today!). The IBLCL observed a feeding. We both agreed that when she initially latched on, she was hungry and excited to nurse and at the start appeared to be nursing well. She even commented that she could hear her swallowing from where she was sitting - all great stuff. Baby fell asleep and we weighed her again. Baby only transferred 0.5oz. We woke her up (and pissed her off a little, to make sure she was really awake), and latched her back on. This second time, she was noticeably more squirmy, arching her back, popping on and off. Again, she only transferred another 0.5oz before falling asleep. I know it's only one feeding and we need to do it a couple more times to get a better picture, but all this together seems to make it more likely that the tongue tie is getting in the way. We have an appt in 2 weeks to have it lasered. In the mean time, we're trying another experiment. Over the past week, we did two things: switch out bm for formula and switch out one nursing session in the evening for a bottle (because we were giving formula). So, we can't say for sure if the weight gain was due to the formula...
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  • @llli*dormir41's Avatar
    Today, 06:30 AM
    Absolutely no joke! I just noticed I said my 8 1/2 year old above. Yikes! She's 8 1/2 months old. Apparently in my sleep deprivation I fast forwarded my daughter by years. :lol I agree, you can do it. I keep seeing reminders from moms on here that babies are only this little for a short period of time. In some ways it feels like forever and in other ways it doesn't. If it helps, I've gone through stages where I've been so ready to quit--a lot of us probably do. Here's how my thoughts go: She gets formula, so what's the big deal of stopping bf entirely and just letting it go? Pumping sucks, nursing can be hard (although it's easier now. I cried buckets when she was a newborn and we were struggling with latching) . . .but there are times I've gotten through a day by encouraging myself. "Just one more pump. Just one more nursing session." And you know, then it gets a bit easier and I can say, "oh, just one more week, one more month" . . . and now we're at 8 1/2 months and I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel where nursing can just be whatever my daughter and I need it to be and not a requirement. I'm sure I'm going to have to give myself more pep talks before the year is up, but it's encouraging to see how far we've come. :)
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:21 AM
    Welcome to the forum! First, of course you are frustrated. When nursing is painful or just not going right, it's one of the hardest experiences in the world. So much is riding on it- your baby's health, your ability to nurture your child in the way you want. So don't feel bad for feeling frustrated! I know it's already Friday, but maybe you can call the tongue tie specialist and beg for an earlier appointment? It's not that I think you can't make it until Tuesday. It's just that when a mom is in a lot of pain, we want to take care of that ASAP!!! As long as the baby is making her daily quota of wet and poopy diapers, you know she's draining you sufficiently to get her needs met, and therefore to keep your supply where it should be. That being said, I think the 2-3 pumping sessions are a good form of insurance while you get all this figured out. If your baby is using her little arms to lever herself off the breast, it may help to swaddle her- can't push when you're in a baby straightjacket, right? It might also help to experiment with reclined, a.k.a. biological nurturing, positions. Reclining while nursing uses gravity in your favor- it holds the baby on the breast instead of pulling her away from the breast, and even the strongest newborn will be unable to push herself off the breast in that position because it means doing a push-up.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 06:13 AM
    Can you answer some questions for us? The answers will help us figure out if this is likely a real supply problem or more a problem of perception. - Can you post a complete weight history, including the baby's birth weight, lowest weight and weight at each checkup? It helps if you can post it in the following form: baby's age in months/baby's weight. - Are you home with your baby, or back in the office a lot of the time? If you're back at work, how long is your workday? - Is baby being nursed on schedule, or when he gives hunger cues? - How often does the baby nurse over the course of the day (# of nursing sessions per 24 hour period)? - Is baby nursing overnight or sleeping through the night? - What sort of pump are you using, and how does pumping feel? - What happens if you do not offer the evening bottle, and just power through with nursing? - Are you using hormonal contraception, and if so, what kind?
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  • @llli*girlstar28's Avatar
    Today, 04:49 AM
    I have a 5 week old baby girl who started latching 3 weeks ago with the help of a private LC to our home. After that my nipples got extremely sore and I got a crack. I got a prescription for APNO. My pain before was the initial latch on but it's better now but I'm still getting sensation of her mouth making contact with the base of my nipple. Her top lip is over the top of the areola (no flare out though) and her chin is low and her bottom lip looks like it's at the base of areola but my areolas aren't that big so it's close to my nipple this her "nippling" me. As a result by the end of the day my nipples are sore. My nipples aren't that big or long but LCs haven't said it's an issue. I try to get her to open her mouth wide but it's oftentimes not that wide. She was identified with tongue tie and we are scheduled to see tongue tie specialist on Tuesday but it seems SO far away for that help and all the feeding a ineyween are daunting. If she does open wide it's still shallow and LC and I catch her scooping her lower lip upwards closer to the base. I'm concerned she's not draining me enough for my supply. I do pump after 2-3 feeds but at night like tonight I haven't cause I'm so exhausted and drained. Especially when she's fighting me at night and pushing back (another difficult point for frustration). Does anyone have any experience or help???
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  • @llli*puja's Avatar
    Today, 12:37 AM
    My lo is 5 month 2 weeks now and my maternity leave is over now...my baby is exclusively bf...I m planning to express milk at work I hv bought madela cooler bag but( I dont know how many hours to keep ice pack in freezer to freeze..).that is another issue...I need advice regarding some issues. .I know I might look silly asking these questions. ..my baby seems healtly though not eating much as I hv posted in another forum...I hv my own saved leave of 3 months so I can wait 3 more months but I wanted to save that leave for further use when lo will teeth or unwell or just wanting me to be..but everyone at home is telling me that baby is too small to leave now so wait another one month...I m cobfused whether I should wait or should leave...at home my sister in law will take care after him...my office hour is 9.30-4.30 ...
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  • @llli*findmeintahiti's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:30 PM
    I have been exclusively breastfeeding my almost 6 month old but have over the past few months had issues with supply in the evening. Up until about month 4 I would pump after morning feed to have a little supply and have not been able to get more than a few drops any more. I'm thankful for what I was able to store because I've been having to give a bottle in the evenings with it. I have been on fenugreek for a little bit now and have not seen any increase. Oatmeal the same. It's an awful feeling having him cry and scream after he's not getting enough milk so I don't know once stored supply is gone if I need to do formal at night and is that really so bad? Also one breast is hardly producing any milk any more even though I try to keep him on it and pump it. I just hate feeling guilty about formula and how should that matter if my poor baby is hungry.
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  • @llli*sacmd's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:59 PM
    Thanks for the kind words. Yes, good memory...we coslept until 6 months at which point we moved her into a crib next to our bed, and then eventually into her own room. She definitely slept longer stretches at night that way and I was way more rested in the morning. It's funny, we hit the Holy Grail of sleeping a few times and yet...this is definitely a part of my supply issue (I had been forewarned, but sleep deprivation is no joke for a busy mother). After I wrote that, I kind of gave myself a pep talk and realized that yes, although my production is low, it has to be possible to increase it again. So I set my alarm to wake up and feed her, but not necessary since she got up anyway. I am making a conscious effort to nurse her as much as possible, and pumped at work an extra time today too. I'm just going to nurse, pump, nurse, pump, and try to increase it just enough to keep her hydrated and healthy. I think I can, I think I can...
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:56 PM
    Shorter sessions won't jeopardize production. A lot of moms labor under the misconception that they must empty the breast every time they pump, but it just isn't so! Feel free to do the pumping that gets you the milk you need, and not a whole lot more. If you see output starting to slump, go back to longer sessions until you're back where you want to be.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:53 PM
    :ita Excellent advice above. I don't think it sounds necessary for you to supplement- her growth is great, she's having normal poops, and dry diapers are normal for babies who sleep long stretches at night. But you do what feels best to you- you know your baby best!!!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:51 PM
    When a baby is properly latched on, the tongue covers the teeth. That's why most bites happen when the baby is done feeding and is just goofing off at the breast. Hopefully that's a reassuring thought? I mean, if your baby bites- which she may never do!- it's probably going to happen at times when you can identify that she's not nursing enthusiastically and is just playing around, and you'll become skillful at stoping things before she chomps.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:46 PM
    2 years with no period is getting towards the outer end of the normal range for time until return of fertility. It might be a good idea to see your doctor, and to make sure that all is as it should be. One thing I strongly believe all moms should be tested for in the postpartum year- and beyond- is thyroid function. Thyroid problems are common after childbirth, are often overlooked because the symptoms can be subtle, and can cause issues with fertility. You also might want to pick up a copy of Toni Weschler's excellent book "Taking Charge of Your Fertility". Using the information from that book and a good thermometer, you may be able to pick up on your body's subtle fertility signs and see what, if anything, is up. Are you weaning only because you think it will make your fertility return? If so, it may not be necessary. See the doc and do some TCOYF charting first, and then decide if weaning is actually necessary. If you're weaning because you're ready to be done, then by all means proceed! :)
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  • @llli*mom2ber's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:43 PM
    No plugs or mastitis, thankfully. Unfortunately I can't switch to a 4 hour schedule even if I wanted to try - we have one lactation room at work and 5 pumping moms so we are on a strict back to back schedule... Although that's a great suggestion and would definitely make life easier if I could! I'm wondering if I should make my sessions a bit shorter, but I don't want to jeopardize my supply by stopping before milk runs out...
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  • @llli*only.woman.in.the.house's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:10 PM
    Absolutely! Here is a good PDF for caregivers. http://www.kellymom.com/store/freehandouts/bottle_feeding.pdf
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  • @llli*akemi012's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:09 PM
    Hi ladies, My LO is 4 months old. A little history: at 6 weeks, he had a tongue/lip tie release (diagnosed by a lactation consultant, he was screaming and popping on/off the breast, seemingly never satisfied, and his latch was becoming painful... I was told he wasn't getting enough hindmilk, that the tongue tie could cause many issues in the future, and didn't realize at the time that his behavior might be perfectly normal for his age). Anyway, that's past, thank goodness, but for the last 3 weeks or so, he's been only wanting to nurse when he's sleepy/asleep. When he does try to nurse when awake, most of the time he gets very tense, starts gulping very fast, and sometimes gags or chokes/coughs; then he'll pop on and off a few times (not usually fussing), and turn away. I've had issues with oversupply in the past, it got better but then he hit his 3 month growth spurt and I think that caused my supply to ramp back up. At the same time as this began, he started waking up every hour at night to nurse (he was sleeping for at least one 3-4 hour stretch at night prior to that). Occasionally I can rock him back to sleep but usually he actually does nurse for 7 minutes or so (one letdown), then falls back asleep. Each time he does nurse when sleepy, or if he manages to hang in there when awake, it's only for about 5-7 minutes. He seems really gassy and uncomfortable; I can't even really nurse him to sleep for naps because he wakes up after 10 minutes crying (I think...
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  • @llli*only.woman.in.the.house's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:08 PM
    You may find this video helpful for watching some latching. http://globalhealthmedia.org/portfolio-items/attaching-your-baby-at-the-breast/?portfolioID=5623
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