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  • @llli*lllmeg's Avatar
    Today, 12:23 AM
    Dear mamabella, congratulations on your dear new baby and welcome to the forum! Your baby not pooping may be a reason for concern. It may be he is not getting quite enough milk. But it may not indicate that. Output tells us something but is not the whole story. Also, even if baby is not getting enough milk, this could be for some other reason than your milk production. How often is baby nursing? If it is less than 10-12 times in 24 hours, that may well not be often enough. (and more often would be entirely normal) Nursing frequently is typically the best way to increase milk production. If nursing hurts, that would be a sign there is a milk transfer issue. Your baby was examined and not found to have dehydration? What did they say about the red pee? Were you satisfied with the care there? why can't you see the doctor until Monday if there is serious medical concern? Can you see an IBCLC if you think baby is not getting enough milk? Your baby's overall behavior sounds normal to me, so maybe I am not understanding what you are seeing. Baby is a week old, and still learning how to nurse, so some frustration at the breast and with latching is pretty common. nursing very frequently is the norm. One week old infants do not smile or laugh, nor do they stare 'meanly'. They are unable to have any of those kinds of complicated emotions. Basically, a healthy newborn of this age will feel either comfortable or uncomfortable. (and sometimes very uncomfortable.) or be asleep....
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  • @llli*lllmeg's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:46 PM
    There is an evolutionary explanation. Or in any case, a biological one. It is one type of kneading behavior and may help increase milk flow. But that does not mean all children will do it, or that it is only done due to a child needing an increased milk flow. However, I am not sure I agree it is a habit that could have been broken at some younger age but is now entrenched. It is a very common variation on normal nursing behavior. The behavior may come and go, but I have never heard of this behavior being trained away? I will have to research that. There also may be another component that has to do with comforting, because (anecdotally) it appears that, if allowed, many children who have weaned entirely and in some cases, never nursed at all, want to hold or fondle their mother's breast as they fall asleep or require comforting. Here are a few things I have personally found helps with what I call "twiddling:" Holding babies hand, or letting them hold my hand or fingers. It seems to help if I keep my hand or fingers moving. And I usually have to take up their hand over and over again repeatedly. giving them something else to hold and again, keep it moving around. switching sides, sometimes repeatedly distracting baby from the twiddling with singing or talking to them, while they nurse keeping nails short as the scratching is the worst! (Hey, we both need that nipple please don't shave it off!)
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:34 PM
    Hang in there!!!! You are doing a great Job, and with Twins too. Definitely get the support of your lactation consultant. YOU CAN DO THIS and the problems are NOT YOUR FAULT. Are you still pumping? Make sure not to hurt yourself with the pump. Just as breastfeeding should NOT HURT, Neither should Pumping. Believe me I know that using the SNS can be challenging and yes it does seem to interfere with babies suck and latch and causes one to leave well enough alone when you get it flowing even if the latch is hurting rather than annoying the baby to keep trying to re-latch. I rarely manage to get much milk out with the pump but apparently it takes time/practice. As does breast feeding!!! Even for moms and babies who are not having difficulties, it often takes 6 weeks for breastfeeding to really settle in. It is normal to have some challenges and need assistance during this time. As far as amount of supplement, did the pediatrician have anything to say about it at the appointment? Average weight gain it usually expected to be between 1/2 oz- 1 oz per day or between 4-8 oz a week. The fact that they didn't loose anymore weight before the first check up is good. My very non professional opinion would be to increase the amount of supplement so that the total daily supplement is just 1-3 ounces more that the current level and then perhaps find some way to weigh the babies a little more often to see if you start getting an average weight gain within the...
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  • @llli*redstarburst's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:03 PM
    Hey everyone, so here's the breakdown of my situation: Planned c-section for breeched twins. C-section went amazingly well. No complications and we got to do skin to skin in the operating room. Breastfed both babies within an hour of them being born. No latch problems at all. They took to the breasts like champs. We breastfed them on demand those first 3 days, which ended up being about 8 times a day. I know 10 or 12 would have been better, but that's just how the babies natural rhythm worked out and we were too sleep deprived to think about waking the babies for more feedings. Maybe mistake #1? They lost 10% of their body weight by Day 2. Doctor was not concerned yet because she attributed that initial weight loss to the IV fluids I was given for the c-section. Day 3 and Baby A had lost a total of 13% of his original weight and Baby B had lost 12%. The babies were also crying and fussing at the boob. Latching on and then off and crying their heads off. It was so stressful and upsetting for everyone. At this point, they recommended we supplement. They got us started on the SNS and supplementing 40, then 60, then 90 ML of formula over the course of 3 days for each feeding as well as pumping every 3 hours. The LC at the hospital gave us a hospital grade medela pump to take home with us, but when she showed me how to use it at the hospital, it barely pulled out more than a few drops after 20 minutes. She said this was probably because my milk had not come in yet.
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:01 PM
    It's not too late! Ladies here are very helpful and I'm sure will also help direct you to additional informational resources as well as recommending in person help from lactation consultants or groups/leaders. You might call the hospital to ask about their lactation consultant or search for an IBCLC. It is good that you have kept your supply going with pumping. Pumping alone is rarely a good indication of milk supply (I was only able to get a tiny quantity out with the pump but I know my baby can get a lot more out of me.) Don't feel guilty but I know this is likely very emotional for you, I know my own struggles have been incredibly emotional for me. You are a wonderful Mom for taking good care of your baby. I wish you luck in getting the assistance you need to transition to breastfeeding. Don't give up yet you are still in the early days and breastfeeding has so many benefits for both you and the baby.
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  • @llli*mamabusch's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:50 PM
    Yes. I was able to pump just enough in 5 pumping sessions. Now it takes 7. :( I change the membranes regularly, I'll change out the flanges tonight and will get some new valves. We're going on vacation on Friday and will have 10 days with DD. I'm happily leaving the pump at home and plan on nursing as much as possible. :) Thank you!!!
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  • @llli*mamabella's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:43 PM
    My son was born term a week ago weighing 7lbs 11oz. We were released from the hospital within 48 hours with no latching issues, 4 meconium diapers and regular pee diapers, albeit delayed. He always ate for about an hour at a time every 4 hours or so. He's always seems unhappy and frustrated. My first was a real happy baby, always smiling and laughing. I haven't seen this boy smile once. He's always screaming and fighting us, if he is quiet he has a mean stare for a few minutes (10 max) before he's screaming again. I feed on demand which varies, if he's awake he wants boob. He sleeps more in the day than the night and seems insistent on cosleeping which scares me. He's a very light sleeper and if you move him or change anything in his environment he's up screaming. When he goes to latch on he will get so mad! He knows how to do it, will start a latch, suck a few times and spit it out screaming and fighting. Then goes right back to it and does it again until he eventually stays. I know my milk came in because of his cluster feeding on day 4, and I see the milk is different and now feel pain when it's time for him to eat. I'm doing everything I can think of to increase my supply. I'm drinking a lot, eating oatmeal and spinach, drinking mother's milk tea, pumping for 30mins 1x a day (I get maybe 1/4 ounce with my brand new pump). I'm worried about my supply because every time he's peed since the hospital there's red like blood in his diaper with the urine. He barely...
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  • @llli*lilbunny01's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:33 PM
    Hi! I'm planning to go back to work when my LO is 4.5 months. I have been exclusively breastfeeding and feeding on demand. I plan to pump every 3-4 hours at work. I just read in other threads that moms can maintain supply by doing night feedings. However, my husband is pushing for sleep training which means our baby would sleep through the night. The book he read advises to wean night feedings. Has any moms here gone back to work and sleep trained? Does it affect supply? My LO currently goes to bed ~7pm, wakes up at 1:30 am for a feeding and sleeps again until ~6:30am. When awake, she feeds ~every 2 hours.
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  • @llli*luv3kiddos's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:21 PM
    If you weren't able to get a pump through medicaid yet when I did WIC actually ordered it for me and went through the supplier Edgepark, which is not even in the same state as me. The woman at WIC told me she just had to send them my info. A few days later Edgepark called me to confirm some things and shipped the pump to me. I'd say it was about a 2 week process from ordering to when I received it. You could try to call Edgepark on your own or even call medicaid and ask which suppliers they use and contact one of their suppliers.
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  • @llli*morgan11's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:16 PM
    This day vs night milk talk is crazy. My daughter has been fussy last couple of nights and not patient for my letdown so I have done a small (~1.5oz) bottle of "day" milk to get her to sleep and then pumped later. These past couple of nights she has been sleeping anywhere from 5-7 hours straight (up from 3 hour stretches). So, the "day" milk didn't disrupt her. What was important was her getting milk before sleep. Don't worry about matching time of day. I have always heard breastmilk in regular freezer is good 5-6 months, but I personally try to make sure it is cycled out around 3 months. I would still use 6 month old milk though if I found a bag hiding in my freezer.
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  • @llli*lisa1085's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:02 PM
    Hello, I have a concern about my 5 week old baby not nursing. When he was born, I had an emergency C-section, which led to my milk coming in a little later than anticipated. Ever since the hospital stay, my son has not liked being breastfed, I believe mostly because at the time, nothing was coming out fast enough for him and he would fight me a lot. Because of exhaustion and not liking hearing his tummy growl, I started to supplement formula until my milk came in. Even as my milk came in, he would still fight me and it was always easier to supplement to make sure he had some food, however, I would always pump. The only thing is I would pump 1-2 oz each session and it is still the same amount. I was thinking I had low milk supply, but they feel very heavy even after pumping, so I just think that my let-down doesn't happen while pumping. Only time I had my let-downs is when he wouldn't fight so hard to breastfeed. I like to think I can still try to nurse bc he does still root around and try to go for my breasts when he's hungry (unless that's just purely instinct). I'm not sure if it's because my nipples aren't long enough for him or what... it does seem like they easily slip out of his mouth when he's not sucking and is just sitting there. I would love to stop supplementing and strictly breastfeed/pump. It's something I hold emotionally high and I have a strong sense of guilt of not being able to do this right :(. Is it too late to try to get him to breastfeed and...
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  • @llli*xiaoshira's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:57 PM
    So, if I give her "day milk" before bed, will it disrupt her sleep? Or just not add to her sleep? And when does the "night" trigger happen - is that in the middle of the night or at 7 PM? And if I give "night milk" during the day, does that make her sleepy? (That would not be the end of the world, since she doesn't nap -or maybe that explains why some days she naps so much better than others!) And, I hope 3 months isn't a hard cap for a regular freezer (it's in one of those plastic storage cases in a freezer though). I'm definitely on late December/early January. I'm going to be more hardcore about rotating freezer stash in the next couple of weeks - but we just got over a NASTY stomach bug and I wanted to make sure she had all the current milk/antibodies from that!
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  • @llli*isabelofmtl's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:20 PM
    Wait, you mean twiddling is not something ALL toddlers do?? Oh, lord... I thought there MUST be some evolutionary explanation for it... DD twiddles obsessively, picks at my skin, scratches, sticks fingers wherever there's a hole, tried to TOUCH my EYEBALLS, etc etc. It's like a mindless tic. If I ask her to stop scratching or picking at me, she will... For a few seconds, and then, absentmindedly, it begins again. Keeping my shirt closed on the other side, becomes a battle, especially if I'm in public. Now you're telling me this is just a bad habit I've let go on for too long! Hahaha. Oh well, I think I'll just keep repeating "gently, gently, stop scratching me please, thank you...." for a while longer. These kids....
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  • @llli*ruchiccio's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:49 PM
    As I said, it's been frozen properly and I am not concerned about its freshness. In a deep freezer it's good till 12 months, optimum at 6 months, according to Kellymom.
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  • @llli*krystine's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:20 PM
    My twins are 8 mos and yeah you're doing awesome! I had to supplement with donor milk from the start in NICU and still worry about supply. Anyway, I don't know if it sounds like you have a huge supply issue but if you do there are ways to increase or increase solids so it makes up for whatever bit they're not getting at breast.
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  • @llli*adria.parkinson's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:38 PM
    Mommal, I like quietly present...It sounds less creepy! :) And I definietly got a LOT from the forum over the past year. I would spend my pumping breaks at work reading. It really has been a tremendous help. And bfwmomof3, I agree, I think nursing without having to pump will be even more enjoyable. I never minded pumping so my daughter could have the best nutrition but I am more than ready to pack away the pump. I have to say nursing a toddler is a different experience. It is funny that she gets so excited and fill start bouncing up and down and pulling up my shirt. Or when she wants to nurse standing up and go back and forth between playing and nursing. I love it!
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  • @llli*carm3's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:09 PM
    My 20-month old is always trying to play with the other side. Drives me nuts, especially at night. I've been telling her for months to stop every time -I think it's just a toddler 'let's see what I can get away with' thing. I almost always have my arm or hand clamped down over the other breast to discourage it. One day it'll stop, right? :rolleyes:
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:56 PM
    That is part of the problem, DH seems to think that my reading and researching this stuff in books and online is a problem but he will cherry pick which bits of the advice from others to listen to like "let sleeping babies lye" or the schedule thing. Or that I should be practicing enforced relaxation to Music (of course only what he thinks is relaxing cause what I would choose is probably not right) and should not be distracting myself with reading or forums while nursing or pumping. I'm not sure how to convince him that there are certain things about my body that I understand better than an outsider and that I've tried the Play music and concentrate on baby or read the baby a book. Don't get me wrong when baby is awake and eyes open when nursing he gets my attention and eye contact and we communicate. I also have to spend time coaxing him awake or to keep nursing. But while pumping, other than massaging or doing compressions, I actually seem to do better with a distraction. All that said, I do think encouraging the baby to a 2 hour schedule when he is willing will make life a lot easier. I am going to get up at night to nurse at least a couple times and I'll pump a little after just because I tend to feel a bit engorged at night lately. I'll be happy to be proven wrong but so far my storage capacity doesn't seem large. But maybe things are actually getting better already. Pump output has improved the 24 hours since getting the hospital grade rental. :clap
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  • @llli*djs.mom's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:36 PM
    It's 5 months old? That's pretty old unless it's been in deep freeze. In your freezer in your fridge that's getting opened every day I think 3months is the limit. If it's been in deep freeze I'd cycle it in asap.
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  • @llli*bfwmomof3's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:40 PM
    Just reading the title to your thread made me shudder - fortunately my little one only occasionally twiddles but your little one's behavior would drive me bonkers!
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  • @llli*bfwmomof3's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:37 PM
    Pumping just enough is good enough! Is your pump output decreasing though? One thing to consider is basic pump rehab measures, like changing out membranes, possibly valves and flanges. Also a lot of moms do find they go through a "pump slump" at 8 to 9 months. Maybe by moving solids to primarily during the day, you can get by with just a bit less expressed milk. Some moms add in pumping during a commute (if you have one) a relatively time-effective way of getting in some more pumping without eating into other activities.
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  • @llli*ruchiccio's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:15 PM
    Thanks! That was so interesting to read. Can't believe after combing through Keyllmom several times that I missed this fascinating page!
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  • @llli*garsmum's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:14 PM
    It sounds like you are experiencing some significant irritation from this behavior! It is really annoying that is for sure, especially when you want to set limits but not wean. I wonder if by this age it is okay to set limits in a straightforward, non-emotional way? I say the non-emotional part because that has been my experience. I don't have a constant twiddler but a hair puller and a face scratcher. Ugh his sharp little nails that never get smooth no matter how much I trim them! And mostly when he is falling asleep so to put limits on it then is essentially waking him up. So I get really irritated and want to say, "listen you little !$%^%$&, cut it out!" Haha! I'm no expert at setting these limits though - early on I used a toy for distraction but at this point nothing is as exciting as mommy's hair, face, jewelry, nostrils, teeth, etc. He even slaps me occasionally in his sleep nursing. Ugh!!!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:13 PM
    :hug So sorry, mama! Twiddling drives me bonkers and I wouldn't have lasted 2 minutes with nursing if either of my kids had gotten into the twiddling habit.
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  • @llli*mamabusch's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:11 PM
    Thank you!! It's hard because I'm able to pump just enough for what she's currently needing. I have more than enough for her to feed at the breast and we de-emphaize solids when we're together as well - she gets maybe 1 or 2 servings. We'll just nurse as much as possible!!!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:09 PM
    :yikes What absolutely awful advice from the NP!!!! Schedules and sleeping through are a great way to decrease your milk supply. If you have supply and/or weight gain concerns, the first things you want to do are to nurse more often and to nurse at night if the baby sleeps long stretches. Is your DH having a hard time shaking the NP's bad advice? If so, you can always have him post here. We'll set him straight. :)
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:46 PM
    Update had 6 wk pp OB appointment today. Unfortunately, not w/dr but with his Nurse Practitioner. While in some ways that is fine w/me, she is kinda new to the OB/GYN practice and I know not all of her advice/instructions quite match the DR. AND DH came along to the apt to hold the baby. Well, when I asked some Q about getting my milk supply up, her answer included SCHEDULES!!!!!! And that is the primary thing DH took away from the conversation. Sigh her advice was pump every 2 hours after feeding during waking hours. She actually discouraged pumping at night and encouraged trying to get baby to sleep through. Also only pumping for 10 minute since I'm doing it on top of nursing. Now I'm willing to try to comfort and distract babe if he is fussing sooner than "schedule" but if he is adamantly hungry and he doesn't comfort or distract, I'm not willing to just let him scream for 40 minutes because that is what some one said!
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