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  • @llli*mere52's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:27 PM
    My 9 month old is exclusively breastfed and for the past couple of days has been nursing constantly during the day and night. Despite this, my supply has had a noticeable decrease and now it seems like he is just never satisfied. I'm so tired and frustrated. :cry
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  • @llli*valerie11's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:51 PM
    I just would like someone to tell me what they would do if you were in my shoes. I am a mess over this and extremely upset/angry/depressed. I have been so set on my DD getting only BM, never any formula. I was set to go, by the time she was 6 months old I had pumped and frozen almost 1,000 ounces. I figured I had enough and I could stop pumping as much. I now only pump at night, because we give her a bottle of pumped milk at bedtime (i work nights and we have done this since the beginning). Now that my supply has dropped, she is starting to need the frozen BM and ALL OF IT IS BAD!!! I have been so upset over this and I don't know what to do anymore. My milk is fine stored in the refrigerator. Baby doesn't have an issue with it, smells fine, tastes fine (yes I had a taste testing session last night that ended with me crying on the couch). Frozen, it smells awful, it has a sour smell to it, and when I tasted it, it made me dry heave and almost vomit. I held it back. It was so bad. My daughter acts like its gross and has thrown up a few times before I realized (she was sick with a runny nose and fever for a brief period of time and I attributed it to that). Every bag we open smells that way. I tasted one from June, one from September and they both made me want to puke. We have de thawed and thrown away probably 12 bags that all smell the same. They are all in a deep freezer we bought new this year. What do I do???!!!! I am devastated!! I do not want to give her...
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  • @llli*petersmommyjessi's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:19 PM
    My son is 21 months and I'm 7 months pregnant. He's been dry nursing for at least a month, although I think my colostrum has come in. My son doesn't nurse often but when he does he will nurse for a LONG time, like 30 minutes or more unless I pull him off. Especially first thing in the morning when he wakes up. He will not fall asleep either (it seems like he's trying to go back to sleep) but will stay half awake nursing. If I pull him off he wakes up and cries. He was always a really short nurser. The issue is that the sensation of nursing is driving me crazy now days and having him on me for 30-45 minutes is making me crazy. I love nursing and don't want to wean but these marathon sessions have got to stop. Any insight?
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  • @llli*bsua65's Avatar
    Today, 09:45 AM
    I think the answer varies person to person... I know folks who have breastfed around working hours whose supply seemed really elastic and they could feed when together and not pump and others who struggled to maintain supply without pumping. If switching breasts is all it took to settle her I'd roll with it and suck up the night wakings, but if she seems hungry and feeding isn't helping whip up a bottle of formula.
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  • @llli*brusselssprout14's Avatar
    Today, 08:38 AM
    I'm in the exact same situation, a month later than you, so I can share my experience although it's not necessarily the right answer, just what works for us. I stopped pumping at work 1.5 months ago, but we still do morning and evening nursing. She is 9 months and takes 250 mL (8.5 oz) of formula during the day as well as solids. On the weekends, I breastfeed first, and then offer a top-up with a bottle. I keep the formula in the fridge between feeds, and she usually goes through almost the same amount that she takes during the day at daycare. I can tell that my supply varies week to week, so sometimes she doesn't need the formula on a particularly good day. Also it ranges with the amount of solids she eats. At least by offering the breast first, there's some sucking going on to help stimulate more production. I definitely notice I am more full on Mondays after this method. Hope it helps!
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  • @llli*bsua65's Avatar
    Today, 08:22 AM
    Just to say definitely try to see if it is a lipase issue... My milk tastes yuk after about 10-12 hours but DD used to take it fine when we were supplementing. I expressed and stored it correctly (back of the fridge etc and taste tasted every hour until I detected a change and then used this time as a frame of when to scald the milk by. Depending on how much lipase is in the long lasting depends on how long it will keep etc. There is a great thread on lipase issues on here! It's worth finding out so you can scald any new stash first! And you know I would probably literally cry the loss of this milk... but as PP's have said you can keep pumping and get back on track as frustrating as that is :( Instead of dumping it tho milk banks take lipase affected milk and/or you can find other uses for it... It's great for nappy rash, excema etc!
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Today, 08:13 AM
    (Looks like bsua65 and I had the same thoughts!)
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Today, 08:12 AM
    Mama, how old is your new little one? You mention that you aren't producing enough milk? What are the signs that lead you to this conclusion? Is baby's weight gain deemed insufficient, and if so, what is babe's full weight history? Here are some other questions that might help folk best weigh in with ideas: How many times, about, in a 24 hour period, is babe nursing? How does nursing feel for you? Any pain or discomfort? About how many wet and dirty diapers does baby have per 24 hours?
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  • @llli*bsua65's Avatar
    Today, 08:11 AM
    Can I ask why you feel you do not have enough milk? Often mamas feel like they don't have enough milk because baby feeds often but baby's feeding often is normal . Cluster feeding often happens in the evening/night and can leave you feeling drained, but you still have enough milk! If baby is not gaining weight or not gaining much then it's more common for the baby to have an issue than the mum... Issues can include poor latch, weak suck, Tongue tie, lip tie... If you genuinely aren't producing enough milk, the best thing to do is to nurse more frequently. Milk is a supply and demand system and the more removed from your breasts the more you will make. If nursing more isn't cutting it, then double pumping with a hospital grade pump is the next best thing. If you want more info on doing this just say! Finally if that doesn't work there are medicines that can be considered but before this you'd be wise to find an IBCLC to evaluate feeding and assist with all of the above!
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  • @llli*rabbit7's Avatar
    Today, 08:00 AM
    Have you tried fenugreek and blessed thistle? This really helped me. I also eat oatmeal everyday and drink a huge glass of water before each feeding. Good luck!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 07:56 AM
    :ita This sounds like a situation in which getting back into your pumping routine would be the best way to avoid formula. Is your pump in tip-top working condition? Shields properly sized?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Today, 07:53 AM
    :ita With an older nursling, communication is key. I think it's very fair to tell him that he can nurse for a few minutes, but a marathon session isn't going to happen- and with a 21 month-old I think that might mean saying something like "You can nurse until I finish singing 'Twinkle Twinkle' and then I have to go to the bathroom (or wherever) so Daddy is going to come in for a while and hold you."
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 07:23 AM
    If you are still nursing when with baby and pumping at work and your supply is good, then why do you need to buy formula? This just means your freezer stash is lost. (If the smell/taste test makes you think it is bad, then it has gone bad and if baby acts like it is gross, don't give it to her.) Yes I know you are going to cry over that much spilled milk and any of us would. But if your fresh milk is still acceptable to baby, then you might just need a day or two worth of formula to get you through your next day back at work (and maybe not even that much depending on what your next day/night back is.) I know you wanted to avoid formula but you can think of it like medication if it helps, your breastfeeding pair has to get over this problem of your stored milk going bad and if that means you have to take a few doses of that formula medication until you have enough usable milk on hand then formula is the lesser of two evils (drink formula or go hungry?) Now if you have any close breastfeeding friends or groups nearby that have excess milk they want to donate then using some donated milk is another option instead of formula. I would say, do some extra pumping sessions between now and then as well as nursing baby as much as baby will latch on, make it into a pumping/nursing holiday where that is about all you do besides eat and sleep. If the problem is Lipase you will need to scald the milk before storing it for any extended length of time (and some moms can't...
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 07:09 AM
    How is your communication with your Son? Any chance of setting some limits with him, say nursing till you are done singing a song or something like that? That is just a suggestion I've heard, I have no experience dealing with such things personally since I'm a first time mom and my son is only 8 months now.
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Today, 07:06 AM
    What about teething? I know some babies will be on the breast constantly due to teething discomfort. And my LO (8 months) seems to be having more discomfort with his top two front teething coming through now than he did when the bottom front two came through at 6 months.
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Today, 06:30 AM
    (Do you mean you have one breast that is lactating, or do you mean that you have little one has nursed on one side per nursing, and on the other side at the next nursing?) How frequently in a 24 hour are you nursing now? What had been your normal amount before? How is baby taking to solids? Have you been to your 9 month well baby visit, and if so, was weight gain alright?
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:26 PM
    I had tons of problems but I also had the problem of winding up with a low milk supply. My LO was able to transfer milk but only about half of what he needed so we wound up using the tube/syringe at the breast feeder with formula from 5 days till I was able to get a SNS. We didn't get the tongue/lip ties taken care of till 8 weeks and that still didn't immediately fix things. We worked with a speech pathologist for six weeks and I needed Domperidone for my supply before we were able to get things all sorted out. I unfortunately don't respond well to the pump so that really didn't help me with supply but it did take up a lot of my time and left me exhausted. Anyway, I had lots of struggles but once my supply was up and I quit pumping things have been really good for us. Even now at 8 months though, big difference is we are feeding almost hourly through most of the waking hours and nurses several times overnight. He takes really small meals much of the time so that means we nurse often (my storage capacity is small too I guess.) I would suggest (with your LC's knowledge) perhaps try nursing far more frequently if baby will latch on. Adjust the pumping schedule around this as needed if you have enough milk stored up to be a bit flexible here and there. Perhaps you could borrow a baby scale as well to do some of your own weighted feedings or to keep track of weekly weight as you try to reduce the supplements. With my LO, I generally couldn't get him to take...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:23 PM
    couple quick thoughts what do you mean by a full feed? Are you using paced bottle feeding positioning like described in the link mommal provided? Normal feeds are small at this age are about one to 3 ounces typically. One thing that can happen when baby is bottle fed is baby gets used to a very fast flow of milk and lots of milk at a feeding, which is not typical of nursing at the breast. Paced feeding may help with this, but as tclynx says, an at the breast supplementer is usually the best bet assuming it works in your situation. IF baby latches, does it still hurt? also, what about trying nursing first, then bottle. or bottle, nursing, more bottle...or nursing at least some of the time with no bottle. etc. The general idea is to encourage as much nursing as possible while of course also making sure baby gets enough to eat. When eping, what you are trying to do when pumping is to, as close as possible, mimic what a baby does. A baby this age will typically nurse at least 8 times in 24 hours. (usually more often.) So when exclusively pumping, pumping at least that often is suggested. (Some moms can drop to 6 or 7 pump sessions a day after 6 weeks assuming good milk production, even though most babies would not nurse so infrequently at that age. )
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:52 PM
    Are you also working/pumping? If so, around this time most moms find they need to rehab pump parts due to the pump slump. Any changes in birth control? Medications? Or possibility of pregnancy?
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  • @llli*tclynx's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:25 PM
    to find an IBCLC http://www.ilca.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3901 Mommal's suggestions all good! I used a supplemental nursing system (lactation aid) which allowes supplements to be given at the breast and let you skip the bottle. They can be a pain to deal with but the whole triple feeding routine is crazy hard for any extended length of time. Will baby latch without the nipple shields at all?
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  • @llli*elisabet's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:20 PM
    3littlesprouts thank u :) my problem is exactly that, Im never consistent during nights. It just depends if Im cranky or not.. Yeah I think I have to give her some slack, I mean she is just 2. I feel more positive already.
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  • @llli*elisabet's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:17 PM
    maddieb :) nice to hear (sorry) that others are frustrated as well. I also know that Im not a bad mother I just feel it in the heat of the moment. We co-sleep with her in a side car nex to our bed and she hits me and kicks and if daddy tries to sleep next to her everything goes crazy! She attends daycare so she sleeps there. She always cries for about 2min when laid to bed but then sleeps for about 1-2hours. Her father can get her to nap if Im not home during weekends but I always nurse her to sleep if Im home. I should try to nap-wean her then :)
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  • @llli*elisabet's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:10 PM
    :) I would like her to ask and give up the punching me in the face. I wanna wait little longer to night wean her cause I know it is not possible/ I dont have the energy or will power to do so.
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  • @llli*poppy123's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:55 PM
    I tried offering a small bottle to take off his hunger but he still wouldn't go back to breasts after that. So I ended up giving him a full feed through bottle. I'm not sure if I should pump every 3 hour or follow his feeding schedule. He feeds on demand and sometimes it could be up to 4hour. If I wait longer than 4 hour to pump, will it affect my supply? Last night he was breastfeeding for 5mins and I could hear him swallowing. I assumed it was just the foremilk he was taking and it won't be full enough for him. He ended up not having a top up and fell asleep. I expected him to wake up after 30mins or so but he ended up sleeping for 3hour+ before next feed. Hopefully he will do this again and it's a good sign. Or it could be he had a big feed before that?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:25 PM
    the same thing happened with me, I was given reglan for morning sickness and it is no longer prescribed during pregnancy. Of course recommendations about the efficacy, appropriate use, and safety of medications does change sometimes. This is just a fact of medications. A medication that anyone takes may be found to not be considered appropriate or safe for that person, even. The thing that is nice about Dr. Hales work (infantrisk.com and Medications and Mothers Milk) is he gives more much than just a straight safety rating. For one thing, it is not a straight yes or no, it is a scale. He lists all relevant studies or information about the medication in question, then uses his expertise in the physiology of breastfeeding, pediatrics, and pharmacology to give it a rating, and explains the reasons for the rating. I have purchased the most recent editions of his book for several years, and if anything meds tend to go down the scale (are rated safer) the longer the medications is available and more info is available. But some meds are definitely contraindicated, and of course once you know more about the med even if it has a safe rating you may decide the risk of taking it while nursing is not worth continuing to nurse at this point.
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  • @llli*mere52's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:22 PM
    He's constantly fussing at the breast and I can tell he's not getting milk as easily because letdown takes longer. My breast (he's always been a one-sided nurser) is also a lot softer and feels much more empty than before, and is much smaller too.
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  • @llli*erin.in.middletown's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:03 PM
    I have a nine month old too, and her frequency of nursing is all over the place, day to day, and sometimes it throws me (and my body) through a loop sometimes now too. That said, what things are causing you to believe your supply to be low? A baby can want to nurse frequently for many reasons (most recently for my nine month old-- teething, running nose, slight fever, developmental leaps, etc).
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  • @llli*3littlesprouts's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:36 PM
    I have a two year old too, and I know exactly what you're talking about! The thing is, I don't nurse him anymore, and I haven't for a while. "Choosing to do extended breastfeeding" is probably not the issue. Even though he doesn't wake asking for milk, he wakes all the time crying for water, for snuggles, because he wet the bed, because he's cold, because he wants to hold sissy's hand, because his mosquito bites are itching... And the mini dragon, oh how I know it. He talks perfectly intelligible during the day, but it's like he completely forgets how to talk in the night, and therefore reverts to anything from groaning to wide mouthed screeching. All that to say, it may just be because she's two? Some of the best advice I've been given is to be firm in your response and be consistent. It's so hard to do that in the night I know... Rationality is not at it's peak, and zombie like emotions lord over the night. Keep going, don't be afraid to try new things... Other than that, awesome job for still breastfeeding her, I wish I had kept going with my son ;)
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