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  • @llli*milkncookies90's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:26 AM
    Hi ladies I apologise in advance for the rant but I am so frustrated I could scream! My LO is 5 weeks old and we've been exclusively BF and had no problems with supply or latching on but I'm seriously thinking about throwing in the towel and making the switch to formula but I just can't make the decision - I am so torn!! :tearhairout I hear about all these people who breastfeed their babies for 6 months or a year or even longer and I JUST CAN'T see how anyone can continue doing it for that long without clawing their own eyes out! I hate it! I always hear about how "convenient" BF is but I just can't see it!! I hate having to get my boobs out all the time, I hate fiddly nursing bras (I CANNOT do it with one hand no matter how hard I try), I hate smelling like milk, I hate waking up in the night with the pad, my bra, my nightie and often my sheets too, absolutely soaked in milk (I leak this much daytime too) and to top it all off I just can't bring myself to do it in public (I have no issue with other people doing it in public but I am not one of those people - dunno why, just not). None of these things feel very "convenient" to me :( I desperately want to enjoy BF and want to find it easy and natural but I just don't ... and I absolutely know it is what's best for baby and I feel so selfish to even say this but I long for the ease and routine of bottles, I long to wear a pretty bra with no breast pads, and I long for a full nights sleep because my husband is doing the night...
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  • @llli*crocusb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:29 AM
    Hello everyone, I exclusively breastfed my son for 6 weeks. He gained weight within the normal range (150/170 gr a week) upto that point. From about week 6 onwards, his weight gain slowed down to 15 gr/day. I was advised to supplement. I started supplementing with my expressed milk and formula. I felt that I had to introduce bottles (everybody around me - midwives and my mum - advised that I should do so 'to get some milk in baby' as if my bfeeding did not count ). I had my baby's first 6 weeks check up at that point. The Gp asked me if my son was breast or bottle fed, I said both, then he put him as formula fed! which upset me further because majority of his milk is breasmilk. I decided to reach out for a IBCLC who discovered my son had a tongue tie at week 7. Navigating through loads of contradicting advice from health visitors, midwives, doctors etc, I decided to get it treated. I continued expressing and bottlefeeding him and putting him on my breast even though it became clear that he could not transfer milk efficiently. I also have low supply - I can barely produce 600 ml, usually 550 ml a day. Recently the LC discovered that his tongue tie partly reformed which upset me further although she said that there has been some improvement in his tongue movement. My husband has been against the idea of treating his tongue tie on the basis that it will not help bfeeding. He hooked onto this idea because one of the doctors we saw said so. The lactational...
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  • @llli*jessiesmum's Avatar
    Yesterday, 02:31 PM
    Hi all. My 9 month old is suffering with constipation at the moment and I'm at a loss as to what else to try, and unfortunately in my experience here in the UK, health professionals aren't always as knowledgeable when it comes to breastfeeding as I would like. I'm hoping that I might get some ideas here that I haven't considered. She has three small meals each day, well balanced with plenty of fibre. She nurses a minimum of 8 times per day including overnight, and is having plenty of good wet diapers. Weight gain is fine. She is not dehydrated and apart from being grumpy and uncomfortable when she can't/doesn’t go to the loo is generally well within herself. The longest between bowel movements has been 4.5 days, with the movements prior to constipation being a lovely consistency, but movements following these periods are definitely indicative of constipation, with stools being hard to pass and fairly solid in consistency when she does pass them. I'm giving her plenty of P-fruits, no BRAT foods, water with meals. Warm baths, tummy massage, lots of diaper free time, leg exercises, she crawls alot and stands if aided, I babywear. So far neither dietry changes or gravity are doing much good. If she does pass anything I give her lots of praise.
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  • @llli*aprilmom16's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:59 AM
    I am nursing my 2nd child who is now 7 weeks old. I nursed my 1st child for a year and struggled a lot with oversupply/ OALD with her. No surprise, I am struggling with the same issues with baby # 2, except this time I know how to manage it so things are going much better. I nurse on one side every 2-3 hours and he is gaining plenty of weight (birth weight 8 lb 5 oz, 1 week appt. weight 9 lb 12 oz). I have been really hesitant to get the pump out and just broke down and started introducing a bottle last week (pumped twice, 4 days apart- only pumped one breast during his normal feeding time and got 4 ounces off then had my husband attempt to bottle feed him the milk). He's doing "ok", but will only take about 1 ounce and choked due to the flow of the milk (tried both medela and Dr Brown's wide neck, both a level 1 nipple). I am trying to decide when to pump, how often to pump, and how long to pump to build a milk supply, while not worsening my oversupply, thus causing a worsening OALD. With baby # 1 I didn't have much for a milk stockpile and ran out. I went through a dry spell while pumping at work at one point during that first year and ran out quickly (I didn't have much of a stockpile to begin with anyhow). I never had anything more than the milk I had from pumping the day prior at work and it made things difficult if I wanted to go out on a date or something. With this baby, he has the most difficulty nursing in the AM/ early afternoon when my milk supply is...
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  • @llli*bkindnhappy's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:23 PM
    I started blw at almost 7 months with my baby. He just played with his food for about a month before really starting to swallow some. Now at 9 months he eats almost everything I give him. The concern I am having is that he is starting to eat more quantities. I breastfeed 45 to 1 hour after breastfeeding. Today I change that time frame to 20 min after breastfeeding hoping he would eat less but it did not happen. Since he is a slow weight gainer I am concerned he will drop breastfeedings because he is eating more solids. Should I cut them down? Feed him only what I think is a good amount? He eats solids 3 times a day and nurses 8+ times.
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  • @llli*american.honey's Avatar
    Today, 12:02 AM
    My baby girl and I, have been going strong with nursing since day 1. However, my situation has changed at home and I can't always nursing the same hours. I try to keep her on her schedule but sometimes she does miss certain feelings now. Or, she won't ask or want her milky. However, her bedtime feeding is a must. I've noticed she will tell me now, mama there's no more milky. That's also happened during her day feelings. But she still is an active nurser. How do I increase my milk once again. Before, I was on a very strict diet and since about a year and half I became more lax. I'm eating stuff I completed did not since my baby girl was born. Could this be a reason for the decrease as well. I was always very strict and on schedule with her feedings always. Especially at night. I always made sure she nursed at the 2am feeding because prolactin is at the highest at that time. Well, she does not nurse at night anymore, would this have any reason? Should I be waking her up for that night feeding once again? Please help me increase my milk flow once again? She doesn't seem to fully want to wean anytime soon.
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  • @llli*jen.r24's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:53 PM
    Hope you don't mind me following this thread. I'm having same issue with my 8.5 month old and I'm at a loss :(
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:21 PM
    How old is baby, and is baby nursing at all at this point, and how many ounces per day does baby get in bottles? I look at your story and I think perhaps you were undermined. This sounds more like a story of unnecessary supplementation or over supplementation, rather than only a story of tongue tie. I think tongue tie may be involved, but I wonder if there is more to this. Unneeded supplementation or over supplementation reduces milk production, this has been known for decades. Also babies do not need more and more milk to gain normally. If you made enough milk at 5 weeks for baby to gain normally, that same amount should still be enough for baby to gain normally at 5 months. It is possible your milk production decreased after 6 weeks for some reason, and maybe that was related to the tongue tie, but that is different than saying your production could not "keep up." If you have not read the book Making More Milk, I strongly suggest reading it. It will help you with more than only ideas for increasing milk production. It may help you find some answers about what is going on or what happened. Sometimes what a mom needs is answers even if those answers do not really help improve the situations. This article is specifically about tongue tie and may help: http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/pdf/Informed-Choice/modern-myths-about-tongue-tie.pdf
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:58 PM
    The typical suggestion with solid introduction is to nurse immediately before "solids" are offered. Of course in practice this is not always possible, but it is something to shoot for as much as possible. I found with my third child that there was almost never time to nurse right before meals. So I offered right AFTER meals, and did not give her any water (or other liquid) with meals. She would nurse because she was thirsty after eating. So maybe you can try offering to nurse both right before and right after baby eats solids? Since you are doing baby led solids, I do not think the possibility of overfeeding with solids leading to baby not getting enough breastmilk is as much of a concern as when a baby is being spoon fed purees. So I am not sure withholding solids is necessary. On the other hand, there is no rule that 9 month olds should be offered solids a minimum of 3 times a day. In other words offering solids less often is probably fine, although when a baby is a slow gainer it is a trickier call. I know you got some great suggestions on your other thread, I would also suggest the book My Child Won't Eat as an excellent source of info for parents who have a child that may be gaining 'slowly."
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  • @llli*bkindnhappy's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:15 PM
    Thank you.
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  • @llli*crocusb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:03 PM
    The LC disagreed with the specialist dentist on that and clipped it. The tongue tie (according to LC) was a tick one and it definetely restricted the movement. We treated the tongue tie then. Now it is reformed, LC adviced that the tongue with reformed tie is not as bad as it was before. She was reluctant to resnip because the muscles in the neck are too tight and if she did resnip it might reform again. Therefore we are waiting to see an osteopath that specialises in tongue tie and babies. Regarding weight gain, we started ok, baby gained birth weight by day 7. Then continued gaining 1 ounce a day. He had breasfeeding jaundice as well so he was VERY sleepy upto about 2 months old when I started topping up with formula, following the advice of the GP and midwife. They kept telling me they would have liked him to put on more weight. Maybe I could not keep up with the increased demand as he got older although looking at the growth chart, he steadily gained weight, 1 ounce a day. He was on the 2nd percentile and has always been until recently- now he is 9th.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:09 PM
    Hmm, I think I would want to have some more specialists take a look at that tongue tie. Maybe this is the sort of tie that does not benefit from being snipped- the fact that you do not feel pain when the baby nurses suggests that it is not the worst type of tie- but maybe it's not! Again, I don't see how anyone could know that for certain without actually clipping the tie. :scratch Being flat-chested has nothing to do with the amount of glandular tissue you have. Big breasts are not more full of glands. They are more full of fat! That is what most breast tissue is: fat. Also, the fact that your baby gained normally for the first 6 weeks indicates that you do have the capacity to make enough milk. If you had insufficient glandular tissue, poor gain would have been evident right from the start. How is your blood pressure now? Are you taking any medication for it?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:58 PM
    Vitamins won't hurt and might help. I would ask the pediatrician for a recommendation for baby vitamins- I just used the most widely available brand, the name of which I can't even remember. What I do remember is that the vitamins tend to stain, so give them to the baby in the bath!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:56 PM
    I think you're on the right track with taking the solids away, or at least really limiting them, for a while. A baby who is nursing on cue and with a good frequency can get her nutritional needs met at the breast, so taking solids off the table or limiting the amount she consumes will not harm her as long as you eventually let her have them again. In addition to what you are already planning to do, I suggest doing the following: - Nursing as much as possible. Breastmilk has a mild laxative effect. - Adding some ground flax seed to her solids, as that often allows an easier, softer bowel movement. - Giving her a probiotic (can't hurt, might help). - If you are thinking of introducing potty training soon, don't. Constipation often worsens around the time babies start using the potty. - Keeping a "poop journal", as after several days of no poop it can become very hard to remember when your baby last pooped, and what the consistency was when she did go. If you do need to see a pediatrician about this, a poop journal can help you figure out if the baby is really constipated and if constipation is becoming a chronic problem. - Remember that treating constipation can be a long-term project! The classic mistake parents make WRT chronic constipation is trying to keep the course of treatment as short as possible, and to use the minimum amount of stool softener necessary to produce a bowel movement. That approach tends to perpetuate the problem. If you do end up...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:52 PM
    I think this is fine to be in this forum, and you are more likely to get more responses here. My oldest had constipation after starting solids. I do think it makes sense to back off solids for several days and see if that helps. A 9 month old who is nursing 8 times a day and gaining fine should do fine with absolutely no solids at all for several days. Not saying you must go that extreme, just saying, it is probably fine to do so. Because you have already eliminated all the typical problem areas as far as what solids, Another option is to consider HOW solids are given. If baby is primarily spoon fed, you might try reverting to a more "baby led" approach. It may be that the fun of being spoon fed is leading to baby eating more solids ounce per ounce then her system can handle easily. If everything is in a form that she can pick up herself, bring to her mouth, bite and chew, it might slow down meals, and she can learn to eat without the consequences of constipation. Is baby on vitamin drops, particularly Iron? that can cause constipation as well.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:42 PM
    When it comes to building your stockpile, once again you have plenty of options! Good position to be in, right? Anyway, you could start by doing a single a.m. pump session, and see what you get. You could pump just one side or pump both. You could pump every day or every other day or every couple of days, depending on how much milk you get and how much your oversupply seems to be affected by the pumping. A conservative approach would be to pump one breast and to space out the morning pump sessions by a day or two. Alternately, you could choose to pump later in the day, when oversupply is less of an issue for you. In fact, pumping a single breast right after baby goes to bed might be the most conservative approach to pumping, since most moms find that milk supply is lowest in the evening. I doubt pumping in the evening would cause engirgement, and if it did, it would be relatively easy to treat it by waking the baby to nurse. Is the baby sleeping through the night? If so, waking him to nurse a few times overnight might really help with oversupply issues, because the breast would not get quite so full by morning. I personally would pump the unused breast, but not empty it all the way. I would try to stop after 2-3 oz. Leaving a fair amount of milk in the breast in between nursing/pumping sessions will eventually signal your body to throttle back on production.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:14 PM
    Get out of the house. This may be your biggest problem. Of course you feel like clawing your eyes out if you are imprisoning yourself in your own home. If you are not comfortable nursing in public, start with baby steps by going to places where there are nursing rooms or nursing nooks in the ladies room, and also go to LLL meetings and other breastfeeding supportive groups. You can bring your older child to these, usually. Certainly your 2 year old will be very welcome at LLL meetings. Practice in front of the mirror. Whatever. Now lots of moms find it hard to go out the first month or two. That is fine. But If you can not bring yourself to nurse in public very soon, you are going to go nuts! Most of the time, no one notices a nursing mom in public nor are they interested. There are plenty of very pretty nursing bras. If you do not want to spend that money or cannot afford them, start a pin fund for a fling at Victoria's Secret when you are able to wear regular bras again (and many moms are able to wear ordinary bras when nursing, just not usually in the early months.) Leaking is usually a temporary issue. As mommal says if you have op that is gping to make it worse, we can help with that. Even if you stop nursing baby tomorrow, you are still going to lactate for a while and consequently leak. Mommal gave some good tips for nights. During the day I brought a change of shirt and bra in my diaper bag, small leaks are camouflaged by a shirt with a pretty pattern....
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  • @llli*jessiesmum's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:48 PM
    I was pretty much in the same boat as you this early on; no support from family or friends, my husband slept whilst I was awake most of the night, abundant supply and lots of leakages, no public feeding, and yes I considered bottlefeeding too. PPs are bang on the money. This is the hardest time, you feel like it will never end. But it does. Bottlefeeding will by no means be easier. Imagine washing bottles, sterilising, heating water, mixing formula, and waiting for the bottle to cool to the right temperature at 3am with a screaming baby. But as Mommal has said, if you want to quit that much, if this is the end if breastfeeding for you that's fine. You've done an amazing 5 weeks. On the other hand, you've already done an amazing 5 weeks. If you think you want to carry on, arm yourself with as much knowledge and support as you can.
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  • @llli*crocusb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:26 AM
    Hi, Thank you for your post. We took the baby to a paediatric dentist but he did not want to remove it. He said that it would not make much difference to our bfeeding (he had seen so many babies and we are oneof those who coukd not benefit from the treatment apparently). I must add that our baby cannot suck properly on the breast. The LC we saw thought that the tongue tie caused suction problems and she was happy to snip it but unfortunately it reformed. She is suggesting we see an osteapath to release the tension in the neck and see how it goes. If this does not improve bfeeding then she might re-snip it again. I have a Madela Symphony. Unfortunately I can't use it as often or long enough as I wish due to other responsibilities. I pump 8-9 times a day(including night time). I get up once during the night to pump. That means 5-6 hours stretch without pumping. I had high blood pressure but it is now under control. I developed this during labour. I might have insufficient tissue, was pretty much flatchested!
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  • @llli*zachary.smommy's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:52 AM
    :ita The thought of getting to even 3 months at that stage seems impossible. You feel like you can't possibly continue on like that for much longer. But it DOES get easier. Just one day at a time, because thinking far beyond that is too overwhelming. 5-7 weeks was THE WORST. I was an absolute zombie and I wanted to breastfeed so badly, but couldn't believe how difficult of a time I was having. Where were the breaks?? Nowhere to be found at that point. But let me tell you, when I needed to supplement(weight gain issues, and I was supplementing too much for a short time period) and I needed to deal with bottles and formula, that is when I was really starting to lose my mind. Because instead of just taking my breast out, now I had to get up, walk to the kitchen, get a bottle, mix the formula, warm the bottle, then go back to the couch/bed. Then wash all the damn parts. That to me was so much harder. And you know what, he wasn't any more satisfied with the bottles! I got through it all and now can look back and be grateful I was able to do so, because I thought about giving up. The beginning is not the time when BF feels convenient. That will come later. Hearing from other moms that it does get easier once baby is bigger, more coordinated, more experienced, helped me to get through day by day, until I got to the point I am at now. You are not a terrible mother. It really is hard! :hug
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  • @llli*bkindnhappy's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:38 AM
    Thank you! I will try that, it's not easy with a 3yr around distracting baby. Do you know of a good multivitamin for babies? I keep thinking maybe I should give him the vitamins to follow what the doctor prescribed.
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  • @llli*aprilmom16's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:38 AM
    thanks, that's great advice actually. What about building my stockpile before returning to work? Should I pump in the mornings when my milk supply is the highest, or will that make my AM oversupply even worse? If I do pump in the AM, should I only do it every few days to not create too much of an issue? Or, should I pump in the evening, which is when I will not get very much milk, so I would have to pump more often if I did it then. I am worried either way I will have issues. Pumping in AM = AM engorgement issues possibly making it harder for baby to nurse and pumping in PM may cause over overnight engorgement issues. Perhaps the solution then is to pump in the middle of the day? Should I pump every day then or just every few days? I know I do not need a huge milk supply for when I go back to work, but I would like to have enough to fall back on incase I have another dry spout later on in the year. The whole only nursing on one side creates an issues for now too while trying to build a stockpile. Do I pump the breast I just nursed on an hour after, or do I go ahead and pump the other side?
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  • @llli*jen.r24's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:36 AM
    Thanks maddieb, I got a couple of cups that just have a flat silicone like spout so she has to suck a little as its non spill. I'd planned not getting one like that as I thought it'd be too like a bottle but I picked them up cheap in the store and didn't realise til I got home. No major fuss to clean or valves (that I know can harbour mould if not cleaned right). The ones you describe was what I'd planned to get! Still I tried her with the new cups and she drank about 1.5oz of expressed milk in seconds with a big grin on her face once she realised what it was and that she was doing it herself! I was convinced she'd have no idea what to do with it. Proved me wrong! I think I'll use it for ease with grandparents but keep the open cup for use with me and hubby who have the patience to help her. And then of course boobies the majority of the time !
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:13 AM
    Fantastic!!! So many breastfeeding problems can be solved simply by waiting them out. I wish more moms knew that!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:12 AM
    Welcome to the forum and congratulations on baby #2! When a mom has significant oversupply, I think the best way to manage pumping at work is by being prepared to change your program if things aren't going as expected. Here's a menu of options for you to try out: 1. Go to work and try pumping just one breast at a time. If you get sufficient milk and aren't too uncomfortable, great! 2. If pumping just one breast at a time does not yield enough, try pumping both. But don't be afraid to stop when you have sufficient milk. It's okay to leave milk in the breast. A lot of oversupply issues are created/maintained by moms feeling like they must "drain the breast completely" every time they pump. 3. Experiment with different timing and duration of pumping. Maybe a single big pump in the morning and a few shorter ones during the day will get you plenty of milk without making your oversupply go crazy. Or maybe you will need to pump for short sessions throughout the day. I know that is just answering your questions with nebulous "try it and see" answers, but I think that in your situation that is all we can reasonably offer. If we say " You should pump every 2 hours on both breasts for 20 minutes", that could be right for you- or it could be 100% wrong!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:04 AM
    Some babies get really frantic when it's time to latch! If baby is doing the rapid "open-close-clamp" thing, it might help to calm him just a bit by offering him a clean pinkey finger to suck on, with nail held down towards his tongue instead up towards the delicate skin of his palate. A few seconds of sucking on a pinky can sometimes calm baby enough to enable a more relaxed latch attempt. Kudos on your first NIP experience! Sounds like you did great!
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:59 AM
    I don't think you need a kick in the pants, mama! I think you need a hug. And a big cup of tea (or maybe a glass of wine!), and for someone to clean your house, hold the baby so you can get a shower, and for another nursing mom to say "Yes, this is hard. Yes it can really suck. Yes, it is worth it. Yes, it gets easier. Yes, it is okay if you quit." 5 weeks is just about the most challenging time in a nursing mama's life. The baby is still really small and uncoordinated so feedings take f.o.r.e.v.e.r., and the baby needs a lot of support in order to stay properly latched on. The baby is growing really fast, so feedings need to be really frequent. The baby is not interested in anything aside from the breast, when it comes to comfort, so that also increases the nursing frequency. All of these factors result in mom feeling like she is hauling her breasts out every 5 minutes, and that sure does get old! In addition, there ar a lot of things about nursing in the first few weeks which increase the "yuck" factor that comes with breastfeeding. At 5 weeks, you're likely to be leaking a LOT. The baby isn't a quick or skilled nurser, and is really small, which makes it difficult to nurse in public and very hard to envision how you ever could. (With an older baby, nursing in public generally becomes quick and easy, and because the baby latches on quicker and is larger and blocks more breast, it's more discrete.) He is what I would consider doing, in your shoes:...
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  • @llli*mammymurphy's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:41 AM
    Thanks so much for the replies! Had an unexpected start to my NIP career today....in the doctors waiting room, waiting for ages and baby decides he's hungry. Turns out, when he is crying for food, all my little worried and stresses weren't important any more so we are very proud of ourselves! I'm not planning any big trips at the minute but I'm feeling good and the weather is lovely so I am quite enjoying our little mini trips. I'm conscious of not pushing myself too much though. My nipple issues started because of a poor latch and my own cluelessness really in the beginning, then thrush added to our woes. Things are settling a bit now. We have a good latch when we get going but we are still struggling a little with latching on initially. No matter how chilled baby is when I pick him up to nurse, as soon as he realises food is coming, he gets excited, flings his head in and will clamp down on any little bit of nipple he can find. I have to swaddle him because he's very handsy which doesn't help. And trying to break the latch and try again makes him even worse. After 30 seconds to a minute everything is perfect, it's just that first little bit that gets us every time. He's doing very well thank goodness, feeding regularly, good wet and dirty nappies and plenty of weight gain. I feel that if we could just get over this latch issue we would be flying it!
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