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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 05:35 PM
    Hi and welcome. So it is unfortunately a very common myth that if a baby "switches just fine" from bottles to nursing and back again for some period of time, this means baby will always switch back and forth just fine. No, in fact what we know is that the earlier, the longer, and the higher frequency bottles are given, the more likely it is they will eventually cause a problem. Now I am not saying that the bottles are the problem, because that I do not know. But they certainly could be the problem. it sounds like at this point bottles are not absolutely needed due to separations, so my first suggestion is to shelve bottles for now, as they may hurt and cannot help in the situation you describe. Since baby is getting bottles I assume you are also pumping? Is it possible that you have overproduction, either natural or caused by pumping? This could cause a fast letdown and that could cause baby to partially pull off the breast into a shallow latch and/or clamp. If you stop bottles you can also stop pumping (unless you are pumping for another reason.) Encourage baby to nurse often, this helps for latch issues in many ways.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 05:15 PM
    You try paced bottle feeding, you offer baby the bottle more often overall, and you expect there to be times baby cluster feeds. what is called a "top off" when bottle feeding also happens when a baby is breastfeeding, but it is called "cluster feeding" or perhaps, "what you are hungry again? Ok, here you go" In other words when I say that meals are 2-4 ounces I do not mean they are 2-4 ounces and then baby sleeps for 3 hours like clockwork. That is not how it works. If you are going to try all the above, I suggest give baby and yourself time to adjust (at least a couple weeks) to this new pattern before making the judgment about it. Well, now I am confused. I do not understand how nursing can be entirely comfortable but you are so severely injured from your baby nursing, you are bleeding enough for your baby to vomit blood. Something is not adding up with this story. Of course pumping could cause nipple injury as well, or perhaps something is going on with how your breasts are being cared for between nursing sessions, but overall it just does not make sense. As far as finding someone who can help= unfortunately sometimes it does take seeing more than one person, or it may take seeing the same person multiple times, to make the adjustments that help with latch. It sounds like you saw an LLL Leader and a IBCLC. LLL leaders can be very knowledgeable, but they are not trained to deal with unusual situations that are outside the norm, and your situation (because baby was...
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  • @llli*djs.mom's Avatar
    Today, 03:51 PM
    When does he leave for Daycare? I couldn't tell that from your post. I get that you pick him up at 2pm. When does he leave the house?
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  • @llli*djs.mom's Avatar
    Today, 02:28 PM
    I am not trying to make you feel bad or depressed. I am trying to explain why the top off might be seen as the thing that is making her seem "full" or "satisfied." In terms of the amount 1st-try not letting her go so long between feeds. She doesn't have to want to nurse all the time. But perhaps if she wasn't waiting so LONG in between feeds she wouldn't be in a position where she was still hungry after 4oz. Try to give her 2 or 3 oz bottles to begin with. An hour or so before you normally feed her. And then if she is acting hungry or cranky then give her the additional one oz. & then repeat this process again so that the distance between your feedings is less and the amounts are smaller. In terms of No One being able to find the problem, have any of the people who looked at you been IBCLCs? Because that is where I expect you to be able to find the most knowledgeable support. The ridge issue may correct itself as her mouth gets bigger. But I would want an IBCLC to hear your story and be able to see the latch and not only help you nurse in her presence but also give you problem solving solutions for when she isn't with you. In the event you don't get responses from people in the two categories, you can search the forum using phrases like exclusive pumping and some threads will pop up that you can read.
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  • @llli*mythicalmomma's Avatar
    Today, 02:07 PM
    I'm a first time mother and my baby boy is 7 weeks now I'm breastfeeding with occasional pumped bottles given by dad in the mornings to let me catch up on sleep, we had a rough start but it got better but the last few days his latch suddenly changed and is shallow, he just wont open his mouth wide enough no matter what I try to encourage him to open wider I get him latched and start seeing his cheeks suck in and hearing the clicking/suction noises so I relatch over and over to the point of frustration for the both of us I checked for teeth coming in (none) and the bottle wasn't recently introduced he's been switching between breast and bottle with no issues since about 4 weeks when I thought he had feeding down. Let me know if anyone has experienced this and how you fixed it or what could possibly be causing this.
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  • @llli*mamanoon's Avatar
    Today, 12:34 PM
    Thanks Maddie, what you say makes a lot of sense. I've never heard of paced bottle feeding before - wish I had done earlier. However, when feeding was initially going OK after discharge from hospital, she would feed for 20 mins and then go four - five hours before her next feed, 24 hours a day. Also, when I first put her straight to breast the same pattern was followed. Unfortunately my supply went silly again after a few days, causing clamping and severe nipple damage. So whilst constant nursing may the norm, I am not convinced it is the norm for my baby. The only times I have experienced her wanting to nurse all the time has been firstly when my supply dwindled on the shields, and secondly when she wasn't nursing effectively last week. Both times she was just plain hungry. Both times i let her continue with the tentative suckling for hours on end as all the advice said. This second time she'd just keep nodding off but cry if I tried to take her away and then go back on. Repeat to fade but without the fading!! It was only when I returned to pumping that I saw how much my supply had gone down. Both times she got no proper sleep and was not content at all. When I switched to pumping she was a much happier baby. I know that might be short term gain but it's hard to ignore. I am glad you clarified that the amount I'm feeding her sounds about right in total, as I was really concerned last night that I was doing that wrong as well, and I'm not exactly feeling confident...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 11:57 AM
    Have you had your pump checked out?
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 11:55 AM
    Hi, how old is baby and how is weight gain? Are you pumping for any reason? Is baby nursing exclusively or being supplemented? if applicable, please explain about any pumping or supplements if you can. This sounds like a bleb. They hurt like a bleep. A bleb or a plug is not going to prevent milk coming out necessarily. A friction blister is another possibility. Is the pain you are having stemming entirely from the this area, or have you been having more general nipple/latch pain as well? Green poop is an entirely normal variation in poop color. I repeat there is nothing wrong with green poop assuming baby is healthy and gaining. Fast letdown is only a problem if it is causing a problem. Some babies love a fast flow and others struggle with it. If your baby is struggling with the fast flow, here are the tried and true things that help: Encourage baby to nurse frequently. At least 10-12 times in 24 hours, more often is fine. If baby prefers to nurse one side at a time, fine. Let them. Lean back to whatever degree is comfortable when nursing, with baby positioned to some degree on top of you. If baby is having trouble when the milk starts to flow, take baby off and let the milk go into a cloth for a bit before you re- latch baby.
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  • @llli*ashermom's Avatar
    Today, 11:50 AM
    Hello, I am new here. I work from home and have kept my son home with me until a couple of weeks ago when he was able to crawl and it was hard for me to get the amount of work done that my boss requires (he is 7 months old). I haven't pumped really since his second month (I wanted to regulate to the amount he needed and thought added pumping was a bit much). The first two weeks were not bad and I was able to pump about 3 oz each time. But now I am pumping and feeding at 7 am (get 1.5 oz) then again pump at 9 (get 1 oz) 11 am (get .5 oz) 1 pm (get .5 oz) and then I pick up my son at 2 and nurse him on demand until his bed time and any wake ups during the night. I also pump at 10 pm (1 oz) and 3 am (1 oz). However, I am barely making enough for his daycare bottles holding 3 oz each. I am going to try new pump parts today but I wouldn't think 2 weeks of using the pump would wear the pump parts already. Please any help or advise would help- I do not want to formula feed him (couldn't breastfeed my oldest). Thanks! Jennie
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  • @llli*djs.mom's Avatar
    Today, 10:17 AM
    Maddie makes a ton of great and thorough points. The bolded is what I was getting at. I am not suggesting that your baby is taking in too much milk in a day. I think your baby probably is getting the right amount in a 24hour period. I think she is being overfed per feed and the way in which she is getting it is detrimental. And I also think you are confusing a couple of things. So it sounds like you produce plenty of milk. And so supplementing with ANY formula is detrimental. And it's detrimental 2 fold. So you are talking about your baby only being satisfied or not hungry after the top offs. The problem with formula is that it doesn't work the way breastmilk does. Breastmilk is almost completely absorbed into a baby's organs and tissues. There is almost no waste at all at this age. They grow exponentially the 1st 6 months of their lives. The way they do this is by feeding around the clock. And that is also the way they keep your supply at the level where it's constantly matches their growing needs. Formula, is harder to digest, it takes longer and less of it is absorbed. People OFTEN mistake this process for satisfaction on the part of the child. The fact that the child goes longer between feeds, and wants to nurse less often. But that isn't the case. And it's often the reason that combo feeding doesn't work. Because the baby goes longer between feedings than she normally would. Making less demands on the mother to nurse and it's all supply and demand and therefore the...
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  • @llli*dustyrose124's Avatar
    Today, 06:20 AM
    Hi everyone I hope you mommies can help me out. I've been having excruciating pain throughout my breast for a couple days now and only on my left side. I thought it was my letdown, but now I can't even stand it when my LO is nursing. Feels as if he were not latching correctly but he is. Today I also looked at my nipple and I have a white little spot and it looks kind of cracked, I thought it was a blister or plugged duct but I expressed manually and milk comes out of there still so I don't know what it could be. I had mastitis two weeks ago as well so I'm not sure if that has to do with it as well, but I really want this pain to go away please help. Also baby has been pooping green and I also have a forceful letdown and we have been struggling with that too. I know it's two issues will greatly appreciate the assurance. Thank you ahead of time
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  • @llli*malishka's Avatar
    Today, 01:59 AM
    firstly do not worry and follow the advices here
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Today, 12:06 AM
    Hi, I think this is just a time will tell type situation! I suggest the book Adventures in Tandem Nursing for more on nursing when pregnant and mother's stories. Generally the more inviting the breast is, the more likely baby/child will continue to nurse even if there is little milk. Usually this means, encourage child to nurse, do not have lots of limits. However of course many moms find nursing when pregnant so uncomfortable they have to set limits. Certainly that was my experience. So I would suggest try setting needed limits as gently as possible. For the pain, see if you can get your child to open wider, try different positions, nurse more gently (I used to ask him to "nurse slower" as that is what my son understood.) You can try Deep breathing/daydream/fantasize/meditate/read etc to get your mind off the pain.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:43 PM
    Hi mamanoon. I think it might help if there is clarity on what is and what is not a breastfeeding problem. I wonder if you are having trouble making headway on the issues you are having because you are trying to solve things that are not problems while at the same time not getting the help you need for the things that are problems. A baby not gaining is a problem. But there is a wide variety of what constitutes normal gain. Percentages, especially in the unique situation of a very small, truly premature baby, do not mean as much as what the overall rate of gain is. You figure that out by looking at how much baby has gained total since baby was born. Also I am not sure what you are being told about baby needing to "catch up" and what that really means. After all your baby is actually the age of a full term 5 week old and not a 13 week old. Adjusted ages are used in part to set up reasonable expectations- no one should be expecting your baby to magically weigh as much as a full term 13 week old or anything close anytime soon. Mom being injured by nursing is a problem. This should never happen, and I am confused how this could be entirely the result of OP, I do not care how bad it was. If you are becoming injured by nursing your baby and your IBCLC and LLL leader are saying nothing is wrong, they are clearly mistaken. Something is almost certainly up with your baby's ability to latch. Also, baby being used to bottles, while a problem for other reasons, is unlikely to...
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  • @llli*mamanoon's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:22 PM
    PS I believe the reason for my recent dip in supply was actually her not taking enough during the days when I fed her straight from the breast last week, which is another reason I'm nervous about going straight for another nursing holiday.
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  • @llli*mamanoon's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:14 PM
    Hi, Thanks for replying. Firstly the amount I'm feeding her: I know it seems huge to me too, but I started her on much less when first expressing and she was definitely still hungry. I only ever feed her on demand, and I start with 4oz and only give the 1oz top up if she's still hungry when it's done. As of one week ago she weighed 7lb 13oz, at 12.5 weeks actual and 5.5 weeks adjusted. When on the shields, whilst still gaining slightly, she dropped to 2nd percentile for her corrected age, but since expressing she has been tracking the 9th percentile perfectly for her corrected age so I have to conclude her intake is right for her and she is just trying to catch up on growth, as it's like she's on a permanent growth spurt... However I am constantly worrying about whether I'm feeding her too much or too little or what, so I'm glad you've raised it. All the hv says is to go off her weight gain and nappy output and they're v.happy with it. Having said all that shes taken slightly less today but she's also had her injections so can't say whether it's the end of a growth spurt or not. Secondly, number of pumps and my supply: Until a few weeks ago I had ridiculous oversupply and constant engorgement and leaking. When she was still on a tube in hospital receiving roughly 1oz every few hours, I was pumping more than 33oz in 24 hours, only pumping every 3 to 4 hours in the day and once in the night. I had to work v.hard to bring it down in line with her without dropping it too...
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:44 AM
    When it comes to milk production it is usually best to reduce anything you are doing gradually. If you are making enough (or more than enough) milk for your baby now, then you start gradually reducing how many times a day and how long you pump. To reduce how often and how long you pump, if you are getting engorged between nursing sessions, offer your baby the breast rather than pump. If baby will not nurse, hand express a little to feel better. Pump only if necessary and only enough to feel comfortable. If baby is gagging at the breast due to fast letdown, then offering the breast more often should help. Unlike pumping, nursing baby more often or longer will not increase milk production (if production is already enough.) But it does reduce the forcefulness of the flow. Hope that makes sense.
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  • @llli*cerrajerosasturias24's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:30 AM
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  • @llli*djs.mom's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:37 AM
    Just to be clear on the baby's take in. You are supplementing 6oz of formula a day on top of 24oz of milk? So 5oz feedings? Because if I am reading that right, I think you are over feeding her. In that 5oz a LOT for a baby that young to take in at one time. Most of the time they take in 2-3 oz at a time at the breast. And there is a tendency to over feed when bottle feeding based on the fact that babies learn to empty bottles rather than self regulate. So let's start there. Now the amount of 24oz in a day or even a little bit more doesn't sound like too much in a 24hour period. But 6 feedings a day is not enough to maintain your supply. Which is probably why you are seeing it decrease. Babies at the breast usually eat 8 to 12 times a day. So at MINIMUM you should be pumping 8 times a day to maintain supply. So let's start with that info. 5oz in not a normal amount for one feed so if you are making 4? Feed her 4. And your breasts need to be stimulated at the very least 8 times a day. Now based on your other points: Which is that you are feeling trapped by all the pumping-yes of course I encourage you to work to get her back to the breast if possible. Because once you have breastfeeding down, you can take your kid and your boobs and go where ever and feed when ever. Although, NIP is a whole other thing. It does sound however like your child has been feeding fine and so far has been agreeable to going back to your breast. But of course the longer she is away from the breast...
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  • @llli*nivilovely's Avatar
    Yesterday, 05:19 AM
    Hi. I was pumping after every feeding to increase my supply. Little infrequent I would say. How can I stop pumping without getting engorged. Because today I felt baby is gagging at the breast. And he is not happy. Since yesterday night I didn't pump after every feeding. I am not sure how to correct it and I am confused. Pls help.
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  • @llli*mamanoon's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:09 AM
    Hello fellow pampers! I'm a first time mum and new to forums so pls bear with me. I have a 13.5 week old daughter, who was born 8 weeks early. From v.early on she would latch on but not suck, even though we knew she could suck v.well. She'd then bob on and off for ages and that went on for three weeks in the hospital. We finally tried nipple shields, she fed like a dream instantly and we were discharged. I didn't know at the time but my oversupply and fast let down were the cause of the problems. After a couple of weeks on shields my supply dried up (I'm still traumatised from the midwife telling me all was well and it was fine that she was nursing for hours, never seemed satisfied and wanted holding constantly - now I know she was just plain hungry I am so scared that I could miss this again. It was only me going to a breastfeeding drop in that sorted it). At the drop in the support worker helped me latch her on and she fed perfectly. After 30 mins she was milk drunk and happy. This went on for a couple days but then I started to feel pain when feeding, but stupidly I perservered. Turns out my supply had picked right back up and she was clamping to deal with it. I ended up so damaged I couldn't nurse and when I tried to pump it was pure blood. I had a freezer full of milk from pumping whilst she was in hospital so I had to introduce a bottle. Once healed I tried her at the breast again, but always got a squashed nipple and white ridge and that would end up...
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  • @llli*looking4rocks's Avatar
    August 16th, 2017, 10:25 PM
    Hi, I'm 10 weeks pregnant and my 21 month old is starting to notice that my supply is decreasing. He's sucking really hard and pulling away with his head, which really hurts my already sore nipples! Then he lets go and cries, tries again, etc. After the second nipple, he points to it and babbles a "question" to me. I offer water and he cries, trying to nurse again. I guess I'm kinda hoping that he'll be okay with "dry" nursing because he is so attached to nursing right now. I don't want him to be sad! We both cherish this time together (he is otherwise not much of a cuddler). Thanks for any insight or suggestions you have!
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    August 16th, 2017, 10:50 AM
    Great! I hope this result puts your mind at ease. I again suggest reading the Jack Newman article mentioned above how to check if symptom alleviation after food eliminations are results or coincidence. Of course if you find you prefer not eating soy or dairy, it does not matter.
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  • @llli*sshields8401's Avatar
    August 15th, 2017, 07:47 PM
    Thank you for your responses. Despite my ongoing battle with oversupply, DDs recent stool is back to yellow/yellow-brown, contains less mucus, and does not appear to contain blood. I plan to continue with the restricted diet for a little longer and try reintroducing foods to identity if a reaction occurs. I appreciate your advice!
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