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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:53 PM
    There is a study linking GV to mouth cancer in humans? I know there are cancer studies in rodents, but my understanding is those would not apply to how GV is used to treat thrush. I would be interested in leaning more about that if you have the info. GV has been used for many years to successfully treat thrush with both mom and baby treated. I just saw a recent discussion of thrush on LactNet. If your LCs are on Lactnet, they could ask about your cases in particular, it is a listserve for lactation professionals. I cannot quote what was said directly by whom as I have no way of asking permission, however I think I can pass on what was said because it is all things I have heard before. Someone asked about tanning beds for treating thrush (in summer, sunning topless has long been suggested for thrush. Of course, it would have to be limited exposure to avoid sun burn.) Someone suggested mom see a dermatologist who should 1) be able to make a firm diagnoses one way or another, so mom is not left using thrush treatments for issues that are not thrush. and 2) dermatologist would be able to treat the thrush with an ultraviolet light that can be directed where needed and that might be safer than a tanning bed. Another responded that they knew someone who got rid of a difficult case of confirmed thrush using a tsp. sized dollop of coconut oil on the nipples after every nursing session, and tanning bed 10 minutes a day for a week, and using disposable breast pads...
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  • @llli*sarahgresh's Avatar
    Yesterday, 10:55 PM
    I'm sorry your dealing with this too. It's such a bugger! I had no idea I could just email Dr. Newman! I have been looking to his site for a lot of guidance and just emailed them! I'm worried about the over use of gentian violet too. I think we will back off for a while and go back to nystatin ( didn't work so well). I just made an appt with a new OB. Hopefully she will have something else to try. Or Dr. Newman! Also, if I were to stop breastfeeding everything would resolve? Per your Dr.?
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  • @llli*rachellemarie's Avatar
    Yesterday, 06:46 PM
    Yeah, it's not really as simple as every 2.5 - 3 hours, sometimes there is comfort nursing in there too, to sleep.
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  • @llli*sarahfv's Avatar
    Yesterday, 04:01 PM
    We have been dealing with this for two months. My girl is 10 weeks old. First we used Nystatin- it upset baby's stomach and didn't do much. I also tried probiotics for me, vinegar rinses, and clotrimazole cream (Lotrimin) which helped me with the pain but never completely got rid of it. A month ago we used Gentian Violet 1% for three nights in a row painted on baby's tongue and my nipples with a Q-tip. it completely went away and we were good for two weeks, then it came back. So we started the violet treatment again. I have heard there is a small study linking it to mouth cancer so I'm scared to use it too much. My doctor said that unfortunately for many people it will keep returning no matter what until they complete breast-feeding. So frustrating. Have you looked at Jack Newman's candida protocol web page? He will also quickly answer any emails you send him with questions. He believes that thrush doesn't occur on healthy skin – that there is usually an underlying problem like bad latch or tongue tie. But I haven't had any injury to my nipples and my lactation consultants have said baby has a great latch. So I don't know. Also good to know – I have seen many different doctors at my clinic and a few of them tried to tell me she didn't have any thrush in her mouth when she obviously did. So your doctor could be wrong.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    Yesterday, 01:06 PM
    Oh, ok. got it. Ok, that sounds pretty normal. I understand what you are saying, but actually relying on frequency of nursing can be very unreliable, because babies nurse for comfort as well as for food and drink. Many moms have found that their babies at 4 or 5 months actually want to nurse more often then they did at 2 or 3 months, and this is usually not a sign of any problem. I am sure you have heard mothers say their toddlers are nursing like newborns. Again, this is normal. More frequent nursing does not rule out any problems, of course. But it does not necessarily suggest any problem either.
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  • @llli*sarahgresh's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:11 AM
    There was no thrush with the use of gentian violet, I stopped it so I would not mask symptoms for the appointment with infectious disease. 4 days off and the thrush returned. My nipples became deeper pink with itching and burning. So back to the gentian violet. Today While I'm at work I'm trying lotrimin cream to my nipples.
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  • @llli*lolaminis's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:51 AM
    Hi! What will baby be drinking while you are away? If you do a 5-hr shift I would definitely plan to fit in a pumping session. You want your body to continue producing milk as though you were with baby and nursing, so you don't want to go longer than baby is used to without emptying your breasts. :)
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  • @llli*lolaminis's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:46 AM
    Hi all, DD is 14 months and suddenly my nipples are pretty sore. My pj top worn with no bra actually irritates them a little bit. I wince when she first latches on and then the pain wears off while she's nursing. My first thought was possible pregnancy bc I remember feeling similar pain when nursing while pregnant. (DD is #3.) I've been on the mini pill since she was a few months old and have never missed a day or taken it late. Still haven't gotten a period. My breasts aren't tender are sore -- it's just the nipples that are sensitive. Any other possible causes for the pain? I don't suspect thrush. She does have a bunch of teeth but isn't a biter and doesn't clamp down on me, except slowly towards the end of a session when she's getting lazy. Thought I'd ask here and see how likely some other explanation is before going out and buying a pregnancy test. Thanks all!
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  • @llli*rachellemarie's Avatar
    Yesterday, 08:17 AM
    Yes, I think something must be going on with weighing--even though I checked the scale and we weigh him a couple times to get one (or ideally, two the same) where he is least wiggly. Who knows. I don't give him the supplement in bottles, I have been using a Lactaid for a few months now. Sometimes it is hard to tell when he is really done--for a while he would pretty consistently cry hard for a few minutes after he finished it, but wouldn't go back on the breast and would be fine after a few minutes, sometimes he slows to nibbles and falls asleep when there is still some in there--so I tend to rely on frequency and weight gain to help me know. If he wants to eat again 2.5 to 3 hours after the start of the last feeding I figure that is about right, shorter and I think maybe I didn't give him enough, longer and maybe too much. Does that make sense? So I guess that's part of why the scale weirdness was freaking me out, it made me question if I was totally misreading his cues.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:24 AM
    Okay, so am I correct that at this point the pediatrician says there is no thrush present in the baby's mouth? If so, I think it makes sense to explore alternate explanations for the pain you are experiencing. Do you ever see the ends of your nipples blanch (turn white or pale), or perhaps bluish purple, before returning to a normal color? And when the baby comes off the breast, what shape is the nipple: symmetrical, like a pencil eraser, or creased/wedged/ridged/shaped like a new lipstick?
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  • @llli*sarahgresh's Avatar
    Yesterday, 07:09 AM
    Yes, she had been on nystatin oral scrub. It did not work, still had thrush after a weeks use. I switched to gentian violet and has had no thrush with that. I did give her a few good swabs to her all over her mouth to start. I read somewhere it can be carcinogic. That's why I'm using it sparingly. Her tongue always appears lighter. Peds said no thrush and her tongue may naturally be that color? Is gentian violet considered a treatment for babies. I also read about miconozol oral gel that works well. I might try to get that. With her tongue always being "lighter" since this started I had wondered if yeast was still present as well.
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  • @llli*krystine's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:48 AM
    The first few shifts, my husband brought our baby to work for my lunch break . That really helped her not be so very hungry . She's nearly 5 mos now and he just finger feeds her with a syringe because bottles make her very upset . This is my 4th nursing baby and my only one to really never accept a bottle . Granted I'm not working full time but it has gotten easier and if she takes solids well at 6+ mos I plan to have him mix milk in with solids to help .when I get home in the evenings it's non stop nursing for the evening and most of the night.
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  • @llli*soniarios's Avatar
    Yesterday, 03:03 AM
    Hola chicas! Quería estrenarme en el foro compartiendo un tip que me dijeron durante mi embarazo y que llevé a la práctica y me ha venido fenomenal. Tanto mi madre como mi hermana tuvieron problemas de lactancia durante la época en la que dieron el pecho. Yo estaba advertida de esto y sabía que yo podría tener le mismo problema, así que me estuve informando hasta que di con una solución. Encontré una planta que se llama moringa oleifera que la puedes tomar tanto en cápsulas como en polvo y que ayuda a la hora de producir leche. Se puede comprar en cualquier herbolario o por internet. Yo la compraba por internet en amazon. Hay que tomarla mientras estás embarazada (o antes si quieres, ya q aparte de ser beneficiosa con el tema de la lactancia tiene un montón de propiedades nutricionales) porque los efectos son a medio plazo (al cabo de unos pocos meses). Siendo 100% sincera, no sé si esto realmente fue la solución porque no hay manera de averiguarlo ya que yo sigo una alimentación muy sana y cualquier cosa puede haber influido, pero el caso es que estoy produciendo más que suficiente leche para mi bebé. Por eso quería compartir el consejo, por si alguna lo prueba y nos puede dar su opinión también y así tener más evidencia.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 09:08 PM
    Has baby ever been thoroughly treated for yeast? I am wondering if perhaps you have been treating her incompletely by treating yourself, but never quite managing to cure her, and therefore she reinfection you every time you try to stop treatment?
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 08:09 PM
    I'm with the PP: the doctor's advice is strange. First of all, healthy babies come in all shapes and sizes, from the 0th %ile up to the 100th %ile. Some few healthy babies will even fall outside the boundaries of the charts, because the charts aren't perfect. They are just statistics, based on data from lots and lots of babies but not all possible babies. Second, babies tend to wiggle around on the charts, and there is often a decline in the weight-for-age %ile in toddlers, who are still figuring out food and also burning tons of calories due to being highly active. So when a healthy, breastfed toddler who has always been on the small side continues to be on the small side, I see absolutely nothing abnormal about that. Nor do I see any reason to try to fatten the baby up, like a hog who has to reach market weight. Your baby's eating habits sound entirely normal to me. At 15 months, my we're only starting to develop an interest in solids, hated the spoon, preferred small snacks to large meals, ate erratically (some days eating like they had a tapeworm, other days subsisting on air), and still wanted to nurse a lot. I know having a small baby can be kind of nerve-wracking. Society celebrates big babies as evidence that mom is "doing it right". Small babies, on the other hand... People act like it's cause for concern, even when they are completely healthy. But. In the long run, having a smaller, more slender child isn't such a bad thing. Small babies may...
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 07:52 PM
    Stressing too much. :) But if you still can't let this go, maybe try some other ways to maintain production? Fenugreek and oatmeal are time-honored galactogogues. And of course the best milk increasing method of all is nursing and/or pumping more frequently.
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  • @llli*mommal's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 07:50 PM
    :ita Sometimes there is no guaranteed heartbreak-free way to move a kind into his own room and bed. I would also experiment with the bed on the floor in your room, or maybe a futon in the baby's room. You could try things like starting the night with baby on the futon on the floor in his room, and then sneaking off to be with your husband, or putting baby to bed on the futon and then having your husband go in to comfort him at night. As long as it's safe, of course. This wouldn't be w good option for a baby who might wake in the night and start quietly exploring the house/stairs, electrical outlets, etc.
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  • @llli*maddieb's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 04:48 PM
    I do not want to speculate about the strange gain according to scale fluctuations. To me that all screams scale or human error but there may be other things going on. Babies can certainly go through growth spurts and eat more. But how much a baby takes in a bottle is generally considered an inaccurate measure of need. In other words, overeating with bottles is common. On the other hand, given your baby's age and long history with taking just enough supplements in bottles to have ok gain, I am not sure bottle intake would be as misleading as it generally can be. It's hard to say. Maybe also talk to your LC about bottles and how they are given. If your doctor is just going to say baby looks fine, maybe it all IS fine?
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  • @llli*rachellemarie's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 04:20 PM
    Well the weirdness continues--we weighed him this morning showing a 10 ounce gain in one day! Is that even possible? LOL But at least it confirms my feeling that he was getting plenty to eat. Yesterday he had a big poop, second day in a row, which is a lot for him, and he ate 24 oz of supplement. He really was acting hungry before feeds too. I upped the amount of each one just to make sure I really was feeding him as much as he wanted, and there were a few that he didn't finish. Even still he finished or almost finished a 4 ounce bag every 2 to 2.5 hours in the late afternoon/evening--which seems like a lot even if he wasn't getting anything from me, doesn't it? Guess he is going through a growth spurt? I am planning to look into tongue/lip ties. I know the LC said it looked like he had an upper lip tie, though she acted like it might not make a difference to revise. Now I wonder, especially since I've read that tongue ties usually go along with. I might also try to talk to the LC again, just to talk through if there's anything I'm missing. I'm not sure what else I would look for in having his health assessed, I can imagine his doctor just saying he looks fine.
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  • @llli*sarahfv's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 04:08 PM
    Oh, and my doctor actually mentioned that one time she had to write a note to a patient's employer saying baby had to be brought to her workplace to nurse – and she needed a 15 minute break – every two hours. Maybe you can ask your doctor what they can do.
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  • @llli*sarahfv's Avatar
    January 18th, 2017, 04:07 PM
    I'm going through the same thing. I go back to work in 10 days and my girl is still refusing a bottle. We have tried for weeks. We have various bottles and nipples – next up we are going to try Playtex latex nipples, Bare brand bottles and this very expensive bottle called Mimijumi. The company guarantees baby will like it or you can return it. So we shall see – maybe something to try. I'm a teacher so I can't go down to part time, but my principal is very understanding and worked it out so I can go home for an hour at lunch. But baby and daddy will still be alone for over three hours every morning and four hours in the afternoon, and baby is used to nursing at least every two hours during the day. Getting very nervous!
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